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From Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
Subject Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Date Wed, 02 Nov 2011 17:35:12 GMT
One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases.

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On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
wrote:

> see [1] - esp.:
>
> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
> blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in
> an existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
>
> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check"
> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
> itself.
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>
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> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>:
> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
> > future experiments ?!
> >
> > -M
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> So do you think  myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
> >> Greetings,
> >> Ali
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
> >>>>
> >>>> the tomahawk project
> >>>
> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
> >>>>
> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
> project-ideas
> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
> >>>
> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
> somewhere
> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and
> the
> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Ali
> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
> >>>> importing.
> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
> outside
> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of
> paperwork
> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
> >>>>
> >>>> Thus a +1
> >>>>
> >>>> LieGrue,
> >>>> strub
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> >________________________________
> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
> we can
> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year.
imo
> it's
> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't
> have the
> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >regards,
> >>>> >gerhard
> >>>> >
> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> >Courses in English and German
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohmann@atanion.com>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be
part
> of
> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But
before a
> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>Regards
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>Bernd
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
> >>>> >><gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that
we
> won't
> >>>> >>> promote
> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
> >>>> >>> regards,
> >>>> >>> gerhard
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy
at all.
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support
themselfs?
> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever)
calendar
> >>>> >>>> when a
> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
> >>>> >>>> aaaa
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> } else{
> >>>> >>>>  bbbb //fallback
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> }
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> ?
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure
html5
> >>>> >>>> rendering,
> >>>> >>>> isn't?
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
> >>>> >>>> strub
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces
html5
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >regards,
> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <work.grant@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the
sandbox is for
> >>>> >>>> > this
> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look
at the sandbox
> more
> >>>> >>>> > often and
> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> >>>> >>>> >> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an
own sub-project. i
> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss
it (esp. because the
> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu4242@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox
is those artifact
> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release
give us the chance to
> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more
feedback, and later decide
> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test
some artifacts
> "after" a
> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release
means "... software that
> has
> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial
test inhouse. ...". I
> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly"
after the initial import.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan
to continue.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen
a lot of activity, we should
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components
to tomahawk
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache
MyFaces
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering
in the release.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing
the future.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the
project. Leonardo and I am the
> only
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the
project 1 night a week, so the
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like
this for a while.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix
/ features to implement
> already
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to
add more. There isn't enough
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still
not supported by every browser
> and
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user
profile is more like enthusiasts
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing
fallback for old browsers
> out
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is
a lot to do in this area and I
> am
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can
spare limited time.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of
this mail. I think we should do
> an
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons
to block a release.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release
is good for the project, more
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we
can get some feedback.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50
PM, Werner Punz
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <werner.punz@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb
Leonardo Uribe:
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention
of this mail. I think we should do
> an
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see
reasons to block a release.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard
Petracek<gerhard.petracek@gmail.com
> >:
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release
it, we should (imo) discuss the
> future
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse
-
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting,
Development and
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English
and German
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support
for Apache MyFaces
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo
Uribe<lu4242@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be
good to do an alpha release of myfaces
> html5
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for
this project is:
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections
I'll do the necessary steps.
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >>--
> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
> >>>> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >
> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >
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