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From Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
Date Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:38:21 GMT
that's stupid :-)

Personal releases are IMO possible (e.g. deployment to p.a.o/~asf-id)

-M

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> One important point is labs projects are not allowed to make releases.
>
> Sent from Android
>
> On Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM, "Gerhard Petracek" <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> see [1] - esp.:
>>
>> >Apache Labs are the place where ASF committers can work on innovative,
>> > blue-sky and off-the-wall ideas, without having to worry about fitting in an
>> > existing project bylaw or building a community around it...
>>
>> we already know that it works and it's just about a "community check"
>> -> imo labs doesn't fit and the alternative would be the incubator
>> itself.
>>
>> regards,
>> gerhard
>>
>> [1] http://labs.apache.org/bylaws.html
>>
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>> 2011/11/2 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>:
>> > I don't get why not just having a simple alpha release ?
>> > Does not hurt... Or... move the entire thing to Apache Labs... for
>> > future experiments ?!
>> >
>> > -M
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >> So do you think  myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
>> >> Greetings,
>> >> Ali
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part
of
>> >>>>
>> >>>> the tomahawk project
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>> >>>> project-ideas
>> >>>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>> >>>
>> >>> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>> >>> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to
>> >>> somewhere
>> >>> else, I am also ok with it.
>> >>> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and
>> >>> the
>> >>> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>> Ali
>> >>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
>> >>>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
>> >>>> importing.
>> >>>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed
>> >>>> outside
>> >>>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of
>> >>>> paperwork
>> >>>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thus a +1
>> >>>>
>> >>>> LieGrue,
>> >>>> strub
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >________________________________
>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
>> >>>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>> >>>> > project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>> >>>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
>> >>>> > doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community,
>> >>>> > we can
>> >>>> > discuss the correct place for it.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year.
imo
>> >>>> > it's
>> >>>> > the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and
we don't
>> >>>> > have the
>> >>>> > resources/community to maintain them.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >regards,
>> >>>> >gerhard
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohmann@atanion.com>
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>> >>>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not
be part
>> >>>> >> of
>> >>>> >>the tomahawk project.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release.
But before
>> >>>> >> a
>> >>>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>Regards
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>Bernd
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>> >>>> >><gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5
support.
>> >>>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure
that we
>> >>>> >>> won't
>> >>>> >>> promote
>> >>>> >>> incompatible components.
>> >>>> >>> regards,
>> >>>> >>> gerhard
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy
at all.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support
themselfs?
>> >>>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever)
calendar
>> >>>> >>>> when a
>> >>>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>> >>>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> if (html5){
>> >>>> >>>> aaaa
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> } else{
>> >>>> >>>>  bbbb //fallback
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> }
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> ?
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support
pure html5
>> >>>> >>>> rendering,
>> >>>> >>>> isn't?
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue,
>> >>>> >>>> strub
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________
>> >>>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
>> >>>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>> >>>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces
html5
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >regards,
>> >>>> >>>> >gerhard
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <work.grant@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point
of the sandbox is
>> >>>> >>>> > for
>> >>>> >>>> > this
>> >>>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look
at the sandbox
>> >>>> >>>> > more
>> >>>> >>>> > often and
>> >>>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard
Petracek
>> >>>> >>>> >> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify
an own sub-project. i
>> >>>> >>>> >>> >don't< say
>> >>>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss
it (esp. because the
>> >>>> >>>> >>> situation
>> >>>> >>>> >>> changed).
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>regards,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu4242@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>Hi
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk
sandbox is those artifact
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> can't
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha
release give us the chance to
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> know if
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more
feedback, and later
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> decide
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> what to
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only
test some artifacts
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "after" a
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release
means "... software that
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> has
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> just
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its
initial test inhouse. ...".
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I
>> >>>> >>>> >>>> think
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly"
after the initial import.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you
plan to continue.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't
seen a lot of activity, we
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> should
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> re-visit
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components
to tomahawk
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development
and
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache
MyFaces
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for
volunteering in the release.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good
discussing the future.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on
the project. Leonardo and I am the
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> only
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ones
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on
the project 1 night a week, so the
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> progress
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will
be like this for a while.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to
fix / features to implement
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> already
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> in the
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going
to add more. There isn't enough
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> feedback,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still
not supported by every browser
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> not
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user
profile is more like
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> enthusiasts
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> who are
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing
fallback for old browsers
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> out
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> of the
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard
to implement.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there
is a lot to do in this area and I
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> am
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I
can spare limited time.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention
of this mail. I think we should do
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> an
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> alpha
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see
reasons to block a release.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release
is good for the project, more
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> people
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully
we can get some feedback.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at
8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> <werner.punz@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM,
schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention
of this mail. I think we should do
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> an
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> alpha
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't
see reasons to block a release.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Petracek<gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we
release it, we should (imo) discuss the
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> future
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> of this
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse
-
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting,
Development and
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in
English and German
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional
Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21
Leonardo Uribe<lu4242@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could
be good to do an alpha release of myfaces
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> html5
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> next
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site
for this project is:
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no
objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo
Uribe
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>>> >>--
>> >>>> >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology
>> >>>> >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.
>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Matthias Wessendorf
>> >
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>> >
>



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