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From Gerhard Petracek <gpetra...@apache.org>
Subject Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration
Date Thu, 19 May 2011 14:47:21 GMT
+1

@mike:
there were 3 in the last 4 weeks and before that i haven't looked at wiki
changes on a regular basis.

regards,
gerhard

2011/5/19 Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>

> Folks, i might be that we have to remove the public access without login
> anyway!
>
> I actually thought this restriction is already in place.
>
> Remember the last time where Bart Kummel (still sad to not recognice you
> for a shakehand at confess in Vienna btw!) helped us with contributing a
> paragraph? He also had to file an iCLA.
>
> That's for 'significant contributions' of course, but a normal user must at
> least acknowledge the ALv2 license rules if he likes to 'contribute'
> something.
>
> In Jira we have this 'can be included' checkmark for patches. That's kind
> of the analogy I think we also would need in moinmoin. In confluence we
> already have an excplicit 'write' access, so this is not so problematic
> because that 'ack ALv2' might be handled on the lists upfront.
>
> wdyt?
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
> --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Mike Kienenberger <mkienenb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Mike Kienenberger <mkienenb@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration
> > To: "MyFaces Development" <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
> > Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 2:27 PM
> > The reality is that we don't use the
> > wiki for drafts.   We use it to
> > allow anyone, including non-officially-recognized
> > committers, to create
> > MyFaces specific pages.  I know Confluence as a
> > documentation system
> > is going away.   It's unclear to me if
> > Confluence as a wiki is going
> > away.
> > I have never been involved with Confluence as an
> > administrator, but if
> > we can easily add anyone to the wiki space, that could be a
> > workable
> > solution.   If we go that route, we should
> > have something immediately
> > obvious which describes the process to get access.
> >
> > My opinion:
> >
> > Spam isn't a problem so far (going on several years
> > here).   Major
> > spam attacks get cleaned up by infra and are very rare (I
> > can recall
> > only three).   Minor ones happen rarely, and
> > are easy to clean up
> > ourselves.   The benefit of an open wiki far
> > outweighs the spam
> > cleanup costs.   I suspect that the work to
> > maintain users for
> > Confluence will be greater than the work we spend cleaning
> > up spam.
> > And as soon as we introduce a delay (getting authorized),
> > then we will
> > lose contributions.   I know I've tried to
> > edit certain wikis, but for
> > the minor change I wanted to make, it wasn't worth coming
> > back at some
> > later time after I had gone through the process of being
> > authorized.
> >
> > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Gerhard Petracek
> > <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > thx mike for moving the thread.
> > > it looks like it's getting more and i don't like to
> > observe it.
> > > we already said that we move away from [1].
> > > instead of keeping the dev-wiki at [1] for drafts,...
> > it might be better to
> > > create a separate myfaces-dev space at confluence.
> > > so we can add new contributors quite fast and if they
> > submit spam, we can
> > > remove them easily.
> > > that's also the suggestion of the infrastructure team
> > (at least of some of
> > > them who responded to my question).
> > > regards,
> > > gerhard
> > > [1] http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/
> > >
> > > http://www.irian.at
> > >
> > > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > > Courses in English and German
> > >
> > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> > >
> > >
> > > 2011/5/19 Mike Kienenberger <mkienenb@gmail.com>
> > >>
> > >> Moving to dev.
> > >>
> > >> Neither Confluence nor the Apache CMS is a good
> > replacement for a
> > >> wiki.   Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be
> > a better option for
> > >> this yet (an unrestricted group documentation
> > area).   Spam is part of
> > >> the price you have to pay to have such an area,
> > and we've been pretty
> > >> fortunate to not have had that much of an issue
> > with it.
> > >>
> > >> There was a discussion on various documentation
> > systems on Cayenne
> > >> that you might find helpful:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cayenne.apache.org/msg06028.html
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard Petracek
> > >> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> > yes - we said we move the content for our
> > users to confluence but maybe
> > >> > it's
> > >> > a better idea to wait until apache cms is
> > useable (pdf export,...).
> > >> >
> > >> > regards,
> > >> > gerhard
> > >> > http://www.irian.at
> > >> >
> > >> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > >> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > >> > Courses in English and German
> > >> >
> > >> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 2011/5/19 Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I realized that our Wiki front page is
> > pretty old (not to say outdated)
> > >> >> http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/FrontPage
> > >> >>
> > >> >> LieGrue,
> > >> >> strub
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

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