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From Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de>
Subject Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration
Date Thu, 19 May 2011 15:00:38 GMT
humm, got that info from asking a few other members...

Anyway, I think it is actually really a tiny hurdle to ask people to please ping us on the
dev list and we will activate them in the wiki quickly. 


LieGrue,
strub

--- On Thu, 5/19/11, Mike Kienenberger <mkienenb@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Mike Kienenberger <mkienenb@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration
> To: "MyFaces Development" <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
> Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 2:51 PM
> No, we don't need to require a
> contribution for the wiki because we
> don't distribute it.   At least this has
> been the case as long as I
> can remember, and I'm fairly certain it's standard Apache
> practice
> (otherwise we would not have wikis at the ASF).
> 
> We do require an agreement to make changes to the official
> documentation that we distribute, which is why it requires
> svn access
> to change.
> 
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
> wrote:
> > Folks, i might be that we have to remove the public
> access without login anyway!
> >
> > I actually thought this restriction is already in
> place.
> >
> > Remember the last time where Bart Kummel (still sad to
> not recognice you for a shakehand at confess in Vienna btw!)
> helped us with contributing a paragraph? He also had to file
> an iCLA.
> >
> > That's for 'significant contributions' of course, but
> a normal user must at least acknowledge the ALv2 license
> rules if he likes to 'contribute' something.
> >
> > In Jira we have this 'can be included' checkmark for
> patches. That's kind of the analogy I think we also would
> need in moinmoin. In confluence we already have an excplicit
> 'write' access, so this is not so problematic because that
> 'ack ALv2' might be handled on the lists upfront.
> >
> > wdyt?
> >
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Mike Kienenberger <mkienenb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Mike Kienenberger <mkienenb@gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration
> >> To: "MyFaces Development" <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
> >> Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 2:27 PM
> >> The reality is that we don't use the
> >> wiki for drafts.   We use it to
> >> allow anyone, including non-officially-recognized
> >> committers, to create
> >> MyFaces specific pages.  I know Confluence as a
> >> documentation system
> >> is going away.   It's unclear to me if
> >> Confluence as a wiki is going
> >> away.
> >> I have never been involved with Confluence as an
> >> administrator, but if
> >> we can easily add anyone to the wiki space, that
> could be a
> >> workable
> >> solution.   If we go that route, we should
> >> have something immediately
> >> obvious which describes the process to get
> access.
> >>
> >> My opinion:
> >>
> >> Spam isn't a problem so far (going on several
> years
> >> here).   Major
> >> spam attacks get cleaned up by infra and are very
> rare (I
> >> can recall
> >> only three).   Minor ones happen rarely, and
> >> are easy to clean up
> >> ourselves.   The benefit of an open wiki far
> >> outweighs the spam
> >> cleanup costs.   I suspect that the work to
> >> maintain users for
> >> Confluence will be greater than the work we spend
> cleaning
> >> up spam.
> >> And as soon as we introduce a delay (getting
> authorized),
> >> then we will
> >> lose contributions.   I know I've tried to
> >> edit certain wikis, but for
> >> the minor change I wanted to make, it wasn't worth
> coming
> >> back at some
> >> later time after I had gone through the process of
> being
> >> authorized.
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Gerhard
> Petracek
> >> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > thx mike for moving the thread.
> >> > it looks like it's getting more and i don't
> like to
> >> observe it.
> >> > we already said that we move away from [1].
> >> > instead of keeping the dev-wiki at [1] for
> drafts,...
> >> it might be better to
> >> > create a separate myfaces-dev space at
> confluence.
> >> > so we can add new contributors quite fast and
> if they
> >> submit spam, we can
> >> > remove them easily.
> >> > that's also the suggestion of the
> infrastructure team
> >> (at least of some of
> >> > them who responded to my question).
> >> > regards,
> >> > gerhard
> >> > [1] http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/
> >> >
> >> > http://www.irian.at
> >> >
> >> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> >> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> >> > Courses in English and German
> >> >
> >> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2011/5/19 Mike Kienenberger <mkienenb@gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> >> Moving to dev.
> >> >>
> >> >> Neither Confluence nor the Apache CMS is
> a good
> >> replacement for a
> >> >> wiki.   Unfortunately, there doesn't
> appear to be
> >> a better option for
> >> >> this yet (an unrestricted group
> documentation
> >> area).   Spam is part of
> >> >> the price you have to pay to have such an
> area,
> >> and we've been pretty
> >> >> fortunate to not have had that much of an
> issue
> >> with it.
> >> >>
> >> >> There was a discussion on various
> documentation
> >> systems on Cayenne
> >> >> that you might find helpful:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@cayenne.apache.org/msg06028.html
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard
> Petracek
> >> >> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > yes - we said we move the content
> for our
> >> users to confluence but maybe
> >> >> > it's
> >> >> > a better idea to wait until apache
> cms is
> >> useable (pdf export,...).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > regards,
> >> >> > gerhard
> >> >> > http://www.irian.at
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> >> >> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> >> >> > Courses in English and German
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Professional Support for Apache
> MyFaces
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2011/5/19 Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I realized that our Wiki front
> page is
> >> pretty old (not to say outdated)
> >> >> >> http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/FrontPage
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> LieGrue,
> >> >> >> strub
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> 

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