Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-myfaces-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 22948 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2011 17:22:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 4 Feb 2011 17:22:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 39250 invoked by uid 500); 4 Feb 2011 17:22:45 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-myfaces-dev-archive@myfaces.apache.org Received: (qmail 38858 invoked by uid 500); 4 Feb 2011 17:22:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@myfaces.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: "MyFaces Development" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@myfaces.apache.org Received: (qmail 38851 invoked by uid 99); 4 Feb 2011 17:22:43 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:22:43 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of gerhard.petracek@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.181 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.82.181] (HELO mail-wy0-f181.google.com) (74.125.82.181) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:22:36 +0000 Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so2538005wyf.12 for ; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:22:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=EfJjOxZEo9YUciS3FKTq/iOfbOelF8pxj5Sh6rl2fas=; b=iWM7eI1UtznLHRPvWxQ3faeBzYrdeNxWoQePNqBqkYoybpqIY6ELyls4gY57FXs5rL 80NmTQ/yEQIrbjJLtMETUqLiNPg7VsbSImFoptpgdNX5iqVIQYoyAFffftgGVUlubsXA Lklzo5ERNXvf1DqY14YQabqL24nYCu3Pn8/Hk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=NUCdfgWA0dhzt13LKaemTCQeLMintBX0+FBGAZ9bFcj3vRz0NR+IJ3HB6psq7R8Uix rT17TE+ZFJCI1juqBeDMOgijaDXhXDTwAeYEx3YPX35hh/hHYgZdQXCN5KQQI/QyZxYo KAq10VLpPOOXhWUICNxWMhpaPKNPEdEeNAWkY= Received: by 10.216.171.68 with SMTP id q46mr875217wel.98.1296840135734; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:22:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.198 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:21:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <764376.25586.qm@web27803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <764376.25586.qm@web27803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: Gerhard Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:21:55 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [myfaces site] community information To: MyFaces Development Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65b64f29ef48c049b781ffb X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --0016e65b64f29ef48c049b781ffb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable imo pinging the legal mailing list is a great idea. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2011/2/4 Mark Struberg > Hi! > > First of all: thanks Bart, that would be way cool if you could help us wi= th > pimping our documentation! > > For the legal question: > Actually contains of 2 parts: > All people who like to write articles in our Wiki need to have a CLA [1] = on > file. This is just to make sure that the ASF cannot get blamed for > 'stealing' things from somewhere. Just send the signed&scanned iCLA to > secretary@apache.org and that's all from the ASF side. > > The other legal aspect is if you can reuse parts of your book. Please ask > for the ok of your publisher. Usually that's not a big deal because they = are > happy about such ads ;) But it has to be done, just to make sure. > > All: I know the wiki/CMS is a community project, but if the contribution = is > homogenuous and reaches a certain size, then I think we can also add a > preposition containing something like "Parts of this article are taken fr= om > and based upon Bart Kummels Book 'Apache MyFaces 1.2 Web Application > Development', packtpub publishing 2009". Not sure how we express the gran= t > to publish it on our wiki though... > > All, is this ok from a community perspective? Bart i,s this ok from an > Authors perspective? Any more input? Or should we check with legal or boa= rd > to be sure? > > > LieGrue, > strub > > > > [1] http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt > > --- On Fri, 2/4/11, Gerhard wrote: > > From: Gerhard > Subject: Re: [myfaces site] community information > To: "MyFaces Development" > Date: Friday, February 4, 2011, 3:58 PM > > as far as i know the publisher supports open-source projects.however, we > have to think about possible issues.maybe a patch with "Grant license to = ASF > for inclusion in ASF works (as per the Apache License =A75)" would be a g= ood > idea (before we commit the final text). > > > regards,gerhard > http://www.irian.at > > Your JSF powerhouse - > JSF Consulting, Development and > Courses in English and German > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > > > 2011/2/4 Gerhard > > > great to hear that you will have time for an initial brainstorming! > regards,gerhard > http://www.irian.at > > > > Your JSF powerhouse - > > JSF Consulting, Development and > Courses in English and German > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > 2011/2/4 Bart Kummel > > > > Hi all, > I discussed this with Gerhard via IM. I will put some drafts on the wiki > page he created next week. I plan to re-use some texts from my book, whic= h > by itself is a good introduction to MyFaces, also for non-maven projects. > > > > > Best regards,Bart > > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:57, Gerhard wrote: > > > > > i've created a page [1] in our dev-wiki for brainstorming. > regards,gerhard > > > > > > [1] http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/Drafts/Site > > > http://www.irian.at > > Your JSF powerhouse - > JSF Consulting, Development and > Courses in English and German > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > > > > 2011/2/3 Gerhard > > > > > > > thx for the hint mark! > regards,gerhard > > http://www.irian.at > > Your JSF powerhouse - > JSF Consulting, Development and > > > > > > > Courses in English and German > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > 2011/2/3 Mark Struberg > > > > > > > > +1 for better community doku > > > > +0 for wiki. There is the new Apache CMS [1] out now, and a few projects > already move their documentation stuff over from the wiki to the CMS (too= l > for it see [2]). We should at least take a look at it before we put effor= t > into a wiki which might get replaced soon. > > > > > > > > > > > LieGrue, > > strub > > > > [1] http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010 > > [2] > https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/websites/cms/conversion-utilities/cwik= i > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/3/11, Gerhard wrote: > > > > From: Gerhard > > Subject: [myfaces site] community information > > To: "MyFaces Development" > > Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 7:02 PM > > > > hi @ all, > > i was told that it isn't easy to find all the basic information about our > community. > > imo:we should re-write e.g. the "Welcome to the Apache MyFaces Project" > section. > > > > the introduction should be more community centric and we should also > re-visit the other parts of the page.furthermore, we should start/continu= e > with our new wiki [1]. > > regards, > > > > gerhard > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MYFACES > > http://www.irian.at > > > > > > > > Your JSF powerhouse - > > JSF Consulting, Development and > > Courses in English and German > > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Bart Kummel > > > > > > Author of the book Apache MyFaces 1.2 Web Application Development > > > > > blog: BK | twitter: @bkummel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --0016e65b64f29ef48c049b781ffb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable imo pinging the legal mailing list is a great idea.

rega= rds,
gerhard

http://www.irian.at

Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, De= velopment and
Courses in English and German

Professional Support for Apache MyFace= s



2011/2/4 Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de<= /a>>
Hi!

First of all: thanks Bart, that would be way cool if you could help us with= pimping our documentation!

For the legal question:
Actually contains of 2 parts:
All people who like to write articles in our Wiki need to have a CLA [1] on= file. This is just to make sure that the ASF cannot get blamed for 'st= ealing' things from somewhere. Just send the signed&scanned iCLA to= secretary@apache.org and that&= #39;s all from the ASF side.

The other legal aspect is if you can reuse parts of your book. Please ask f= or the ok of your publisher. Usually that's not a big deal because they= are happy about such ads ;) But it has to be done, just to make sure.

All: I know the wiki/CMS is a community project, but if the contribution is= homogenuous and reaches a certain size, then I think we can also add a pre= position containing something like "Parts of this article are taken fr= om and based upon Bart Kummels Book 'Apache MyFaces 1.2 Web Application= Development', packtpub publishing 2009". Not sure how we express = the grant to publish it on our wiki though...

All, is this ok from a community perspective? Bart i,s this ok from an Auth= ors perspective? Any more input? Or should we check with legal or board to = be sure?


LieGrue,
strub



[1] h= ttp://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt

--- On Fri, 2/4/11, Gerhard <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Gerhard <gerhard.pet= racek@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [myfaces site] community information
To: "MyFaces Development" <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
Date: Friday, February 4, 2011, 3:58 PM

as far as i know the publisher supports open-source projects.however, we ha= ve to think about possible issues.maybe a patch with "Grant license to= ASF for inclusion in ASF works (as per the Apache License =A75)" woul= d be a good idea (before we commit the final text).


regards,gerhard
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German

Professional Support for Apache MyFaces






2011/2/4 Gerhard <gerhard.= petracek@gmail.com>


great to hear that you will have time for an initial brainstorming!
regards,gerhard
http://www.irian.at


Your JSF powerhouse -

JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German

Professional Support for Apache MyFaces




2011/2/4 Bart Kummel <bart@kummelwe= b.nl>



Hi all,
I discussed this with Gerhard via IM. I will put some drafts on the wiki pa= ge he created next week. I plan to re-use some texts from my book, which by= itself is a good introduction to MyFaces, also for non-maven projects.




Best regards,Bart

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:57, Gerhard <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:




i've created a page [1] in our dev-wiki for brainstorming.
regards,gerhard





[1]=A0http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/Drafts/Site


http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German

Professional Support for Apache MyFaces







2011/2/3 Gerhard <gerhard.= petracek@gmail.com>






thx for the hint mark!
regards,gerhard

http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and






Courses in English and German


Professional Support for Apache MyFaces




2011/2/3 Mark Struberg <struberg@ya= hoo.de>







+1 for better community doku



+0 for wiki. There is the new Apache CMS [1] out now, and a few projects al= ready move their documentation stuff over from the wiki to the CMS (tool fo= r it see [2]). We should at least take a look at it before we put effort in= to a wiki which might get replaced soon.










LieGrue,

strub



[1] http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010

[2] https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/websit= es/cms/conversion-utilities/cwiki





--- On Thu, 2/3/11, Gerhard <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:



From: Gerhard <gerhard.pet= racek@gmail.com>

Subject: [myfaces site] community information

To: "MyFaces Development" <dev@myfaces.apache.org>

Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 7:02 PM



hi @ all,

i was told that it isn't easy to find all the basic information about o= ur community.

imo:we should re-write e.g. the "Welcome to the Apache MyFaces Project= " section.



the=A0introduction=A0should be more community centric and we should also re= -visit the other parts of the page.furthermore, we should start/continue wi= th our new wiki [1].

regards,



gerhard

[1]=A0https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MYFACES

http://www.irian.at






Your JSF powerhouse -

JSF Consulting, Development and

Courses in English and German



Professional Support for Apache MyFaces




















--
___________________________________________________________
Bart Kummel





Author of the book Apache MyFaces 1.2 Web Application Development




blog: BK | twitter: @bkummel















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