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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:12:06 +0200
From: Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohmann@atanion.com>
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] sev-en as a new myfaces sub-project
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-1 as a new sub-project
+1 included in commons

Regards

Bernd

Andrew Robinson schrieb:
> +0.5 to the code
> -0.9 as a new top level project. I really would prefer to see this in
> commons or orchestra as the MyFaces project is already confusing at
> first to users due to the number of top level projects.
> 
> Also, what is up with the name? It doesn't seem to relate to what it does.
> 
> Also has there been any thought on how this will play with existing
> Hibernate applications and how compatible it is if the bean validation
> framework JSR goes through as something pretty similar to what
> Hibernate already has?
> 
> -Andrew
> 
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Leonardo Uribe <lu4242@gmail.com> wrote:
>> +1
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Leonardo Uribe
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> hello cagatay,
>>>
>>> you would still benefit in the cases you mentioned, if there would be an
>> optional cross-component client-side validation support.
>>> -> in such a case we wouldn't reinvent the wheel.
>>> + complex client-side validation would be independent of the component lib
>> you are using.
>>> however, client-side sev-en validation isn't implemented at the moment
>>> (and it isn't clear, if there will be such a feature. there will be a
>> separated discussion about such topics).
>>> it was just a question in view of your orchestra comment.
>>> -> so let's just continue the vote. (thank you for attending the vote - i
>> noticed: your position hasn't changed so far.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> gerhard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/4/20, Cagatay Civici <cagatay.civici@gmail.com>:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> in the near future i'll think about client side validation support.
>>>> Sorry but no:) This is what I'm talking about actually, every subproject
>> has the potential of reinventing the wheel and overlap with already
>> implemented features in other myfaces subprojects.
>>>> Trinidad has it;
>>>>
>> http://www.irian.at/trinidad-demo/faces/convertValidate/clientConvert.jspx
>>>> Tomahawk Sandbox has it;
>>>> http://www.irian.at/myfaces-sandbox/clientValidationWithStandardForm.jsf
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Cagatay
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> hello cagatay,
>>>>>
>>>>> in the near future i'll think about client side validation support.
>>>>> -> does this change your opinion?
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> gerhard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2008/4/20, Cagatay Civici <cagatay.civici@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My mind hasn't changed since the last discussion so it's still -1
>> for a stand-alone project because in my opinion every goodie, extension
>> etc...) that doesn't render anything should join orchestra.
>>>>>> We might end up with a subproject hell that's hard to maintain if we
>> create a subproject for each jsf extension.
>>>>>> Orchestra core15 module is a nice place for sev-en.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cagatay
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Werner Punz
>> <werner.punz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Ok Gerhard my apologies then if all of this is discussed out
>>>>>>> then a clear +1
>>>>>>> from my side.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Werner
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gerhard Petracek schrieb:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hello werner,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thank you for your additional hint.
>>>>>>>> however, we already discussed this topic and there are several
>> arguments against the integration.
>>>>>>>> this vote is just about sev-en as a stand-alone sub-project of
>> myfaces.
>>>>>>>> (aspect-el is a different topic. so let's have a separated
>> vote.)
>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>> gerhard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2008/4/20, Werner Punz <werner.punz@gmail.com
>> <mailto:werner.punz@gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    +1 but one addition
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    since we already have an extension api project
>>>>>>>>    wouldnt it be better to be integrated into orchestra
>>>>>>>>    I think since orchestra is not a scope project although
>>>>>>>>    its main area is scoping that sev-en should belong in there.
>>>>>>>>    Think about that, I think orchestra might be the perfect
>> place
>>>>>>>>    for things like sev-en and/or aspect-el
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    Werner
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    Gerhard Petracek schrieb:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        as requested i published the source code of the sev-en
>> preview
>>>>>>>>        some days ago (details at: [1]).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        we discussed whether or not we should start a new myfaces
>>>>>>>>        sub-project.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        so let's vote!
>>>>>>>>        (there will be a separated discussion + vote concerning
>> the name.)
>>>>>>>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>        [ ] +1 for: sev-en should become a myfaces sub-project
>>>>>>>>        [ ] +0
>>>>>>>>        [ ] -1 for: sev-en shouldn't become a myfaces sub-project
>>>>>>>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>        regards,
>>>>>>>>        gerhard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        [1]
>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.nabble.com/-proposal--jsf-validation-with-annotations-to16483341.html#a16747103
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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