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From "Volker Weber" <v.we...@inexso.de>
Subject Re: [VOTE] sev-en as a new myfaces sub-project
Date Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:34:21 GMT
Hi,

seems this is more like a discussion where to place it than a vote :-)

-1 as a new top-level sub project

+1 as a new myfaces-commons sub project (myfaces-commons-<newName>)


Regards,
    Volker

2008/4/21, Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohmann@atanion.com>:
> -1 as a new sub-project
>  +1 included in commons
>
>  Regards
>
>  Bernd
>
>  Andrew Robinson schrieb:
>
> > +0.5 to the code
>  > -0.9 as a new top level project. I really would prefer to see this in
>  > commons or orchestra as the MyFaces project is already confusing at
>  > first to users due to the number of top level projects.
>  >
>  > Also, what is up with the name? It doesn't seem to relate to what it does.
>  >
>  > Also has there been any thought on how this will play with existing
>  > Hibernate applications and how compatible it is if the bean validation
>  > framework JSR goes through as something pretty similar to what
>  > Hibernate already has?
>  >
>  > -Andrew
>  >
>  > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Leonardo Uribe <lu4242@gmail.com> wrote:
>  >> +1
>  >>
>  >> regards
>  >>
>  >> Leonardo Uribe
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>  >> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>  >>> hello cagatay,
>  >>>
>  >>> you would still benefit in the cases you mentioned, if there would be an
>  >> optional cross-component client-side validation support.
>  >>> -> in such a case we wouldn't reinvent the wheel.
>  >>> + complex client-side validation would be independent of the component
lib
>  >> you are using.
>  >>> however, client-side sev-en validation isn't implemented at the moment
>  >>> (and it isn't clear, if there will be such a feature. there will be a
>  >> separated discussion about such topics).
>  >>> it was just a question in view of your orchestra comment.
>  >>> -> so let's just continue the vote. (thank you for attending the vote
- i
>  >> noticed: your position hasn't changed so far.)
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> regards,
>  >>> gerhard
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> 2008/4/20, Cagatay Civici <cagatay.civici@gmail.com>:
>  >>>> Hi,
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>> in the near future i'll think about client side validation support.
>  >>>> Sorry but no:) This is what I'm talking about actually, every subproject
>  >> has the potential of reinventing the wheel and overlap with already
>  >> implemented features in other myfaces subprojects.
>  >>>> Trinidad has it;
>  >>>>
>  >> http://www.irian.at/trinidad-demo/faces/convertValidate/clientConvert.jspx
>  >>>> Tomahawk Sandbox has it;
>  >>>> http://www.irian.at/myfaces-sandbox/clientValidationWithStandardForm.jsf
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Regards,
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Cagatay
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>  >> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>  >>>>> hello cagatay,
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> in the near future i'll think about client side validation support.
>  >>>>> -> does this change your opinion?
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> regards,
>  >>>>> gerhard
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> 2008/4/20, Cagatay Civici <cagatay.civici@gmail.com>:
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>>> Hi,
>  >>>>>>
>  >>>>>> My mind hasn't changed since the last discussion so it's still
-1
>  >> for a stand-alone project because in my opinion every goodie, extension
>  >> etc...) that doesn't render anything should join orchestra.
>  >>>>>> We might end up with a subproject hell that's hard to maintain
if we
>  >> create a subproject for each jsf extension.
>  >>>>>> Orchestra core15 module is a nice place for sev-en.
>  >>>>>>
>  >>>>>> Cagatay
>  >>>>>>
>  >>>>>>
>  >>>>>>
>  >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Werner Punz
>  >> <werner.punz@gmail.com> wrote:
>  >>>>>>> Ok Gerhard my apologies then if all of this is discussed
out
>  >>>>>>> then a clear +1
>  >>>>>>> from my side.
>  >>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>> Werner
>  >>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>> Gerhard Petracek schrieb:
>  >>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>> hello werner,
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>> thank you for your additional hint.
>  >>>>>>>> however, we already discussed this topic and there
are several
>  >> arguments against the integration.
>  >>>>>>>> this vote is just about sev-en as a stand-alone sub-project
of
>  >> myfaces.
>  >>>>>>>> (aspect-el is a different topic. so let's have a separated
>  >> vote.)
>  >>>>>>>> regards,
>  >>>>>>>> gerhard
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>> 2008/4/20, Werner Punz <werner.punz@gmail.com
>  >> <mailto:werner.punz@gmail.com>>:
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>    +1 but one addition
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>    since we already have an extension api project
>  >>>>>>>>    wouldnt it be better to be integrated into orchestra
>  >>>>>>>>    I think since orchestra is not a scope project although
>  >>>>>>>>    its main area is scoping that sev-en should belong
in there.
>  >>>>>>>>    Think about that, I think orchestra might be the
perfect
>  >> place
>  >>>>>>>>    for things like sev-en and/or aspect-el
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>    Werner
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>    Gerhard Petracek schrieb:
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>        hello,
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>        as requested i published the source code of
the sev-en
>  >> preview
>  >>>>>>>>        some days ago (details at: [1]).
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>        we discussed whether or not we should start
a new myfaces
>  >>>>>>>>        sub-project.
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>        so let's vote!
>  >>>>>>>>        (there will be a separated discussion + vote
concerning
>  >> the name.)
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  >>>>>>>>        [ ] +1 for: sev-en should become a myfaces sub-project
>  >>>>>>>>        [ ] +0
>  >>>>>>>>        [ ] -1 for: sev-en shouldn't become a myfaces
sub-project
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  >>>>>>>>        regards,
>  >>>>>>>>        gerhard
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>        [1]
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >> http://www.nabble.com/-proposal--jsf-validation-with-annotations-to16483341.html#a16747103
>  >>>>>>>>
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