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From "Martin Marinschek" <martin.marinsc...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [proposal] jsf validation with annotations
Date Wed, 09 Apr 2008 01:38:45 GMT
Hi *,

my position on this is we could make sev-en part of orchestra, if the
orchestra crew really, really wants it. If not, this should just be a
separate sub-module in MyFaces. It is interesting enough to stand on
its own.

regards,

Martin

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Hazem Saleh <hazem.saleh@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> Iam just suggesting a standard way of validation that we are going to
> implement in the next days which can be useful later for JSF or EJB
> projects.
> This project is currently a subproject of the apache commons project.
>  IMHO if sev-en can support JSR-303 annotations, this will be great!
> Thank you.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > hello,
> >
> > (the sev-en core doesn't provide specific annotations.
> > maybe there will be an annotation module to support jsr 303 annotations,
> which might act as adapter for the project you mentioned.)
> >
> > or are you suggesting to publish sev-en as a sub-project of the commons
> project?
> >
> > regards,
> > gerhard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2008/4/7, Hazem Saleh <hazem.saleh@gmail.com>:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi All...
> > >
> > >   There is already an ongoing activity to implement JSR#303 -
> http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=303 - and we started it as an Apache
> Commons Sandbox project. Following links for discussion threads and the svn
> repo of the new project:
> > >
> > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.jakarta.commons.devel/102655
> > >
> > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.jakarta.commons.devel/102683
> > >
> > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/sandbox/validator2/
> > >
> > > IMHO this will be a good base for more specific validation requirements,
> like JSF or EJB specific validations.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > hello cagatay,
> > > >
> > > > i see your point. however, i don't agree. to keep it short:
> > > > i don't like the idea to restrict sev-en to orchestra.
> > > >
> > > > don't get me wrong - orchestra is really great!
> > > > however, it isn't alone out there.
> > > > (e.g. spring web flow and much more)
> > > >
> > > > if sev-en is a goody or not is in the eye of the beholder.
> > > > i would say e.g.: the possible jpa support is a goody of sev-en.
> > > > (the core of sev-en doesn't depend on jpa or something else. the core
> depends only on the jsf api and at the moment on commons-logging ;))
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > > gerhard
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2008/4/4, Cagatay Civici <cagatay.civici@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think Orchestra is kinda out of it's original scope, Mario and
> Simon couldn't resist and add many cool useful features like viewController,
> dynaForm and more that are not related to conversations and persistence.
> > > > >
> > > > > Orchestra is becoming our alternative to seam, sev-en is a goodie
> right? So rather than a seperate project, I've no problem if it gets merged
> in Orchestra, just my 2 cents, it's up to further discussion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cagatay
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Kito D. Mann <kmann@virtua.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Gerhard Petracek [mailto:gerhard.petracek@gmail.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:47 PM
> > > > > > To: MyFaces Development; kmann@virtua.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [proposal] jsf validation with annotations
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hello kito,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you can put every extension into a "commons" module.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I see what you're saying. I suppose the main issue is the size
of
> the module, and the number of perceived users.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To be honest, I think Tomahawk is a better place for it, since
> Tomahawk contains a lot of stuff that belongs in the JSF core, like some
> basic validators.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > orchestra is about conversations and persistence
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > sev-en is about validation (simple and cross-component validation)
> > > > > > at the moment i'm not aware of the difference.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it might be ok to put specific sev-en annotation modules into
the
> commons module (as i said - they are independent of the sev-en core).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > gerhard
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2008/4/4, Kito D. Mann <kmann@virtua.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gerhard,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually, it's different. Commons is a collection of useful
> utilities and features. Think of it in terms of the Apache Commons.
> Orchestra is about conversations and persistence contexts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Gerhard Petracek [mailto:gerhard.petracek@gmail.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:56 PM
> > > > > > To: MyFaces Development
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [proposal] jsf validation with annotations
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hello leonardo,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > concerning myfaces-commons-sev-en:
> > > > > > i don't agree. it's similar if you suggest to merge
> myfaces-orchestra with myfaces-commons. - in my opinion that's not a good
> idea.
> > > > > > sev-en should stay independent!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > + commons-sev-en sounds strage. :)
> > > > > > (the pronunciation isn't [sev] ... [en] - it's like the 7 in
> english)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > gerhard
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2008/4/4, Leonardo Uribe <lu4242@gmail.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have tried the demo on my workstation, and in my opinion is
a
> very cool idea and this should be on myfaces :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The idea of include with myfaces-commons sounds better that
put
> this on orchestra (someone could want to use this only). Maybe
> myfaces-commons-sev-en.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Leonardo Uribe
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Gerhard Petracek
> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hello andrew,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > sev-en is completely independent of orchestra or the idea behind
> it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > gerhard
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2008/4/4, Andrew Robinson <andrew.rw.robinson@gmail.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since this is currently supported in Seam and Orchestra is a
Seam
> > > > > > spin-off/clone, perhaps this should be incorporated into Orchestra
> > > > > > instead of yet another project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:45 AM, Matthias Wessendorf
> <matzew@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Gerhard Petracek
> > > > > > >  <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >  > sev-en is a new jsf-extension.
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > sev-en allows jsf validation with annotations!
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > some central features:
> > > > > > >  > - cross-component validation (including cross-entity
> validation)
> > > > > > >  >  - support for jpa based validation
> > > > > > >  > - zero configuration
> > > > > > >  > - extensible (e.g. custom annotations)
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > you will find some previews (descriptions [1], examples
[2]
> and much more)
> > > > > > >  > at the sev-en section [3] of my new open source blog.
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > what's your opinion about this extension?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  sounds interesting. Is that levering the "bean validation"
JSR
> ?
> > > > > > >  Would be cool to have a little bit more standard oriented
> validation
> > > > > > >  "framework".
> > > > > > >  Otherwise (IMO) that would be just something similar to
> @Hibernate's validators
> > > > > > >  (used heavily in Seam)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  -M
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > regards,
> > > > > > >  > gerhard
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > [1] http://os890.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-jsf-extension.html
> > > > > > >  > [2]
> http://os890.blogspot.com/2008/04/sev-en-preview-short-example.html
> > > > > > >  >  [3] http://os890.blogspot.com/search/label/sev-en
> > > > > > >  >
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> > > > > > >  further stuff:
> > > > > > >  blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > > > > > >  sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
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