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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:44:31 +0100
From: "Matthias Wessendorf" <matzew@apache.org>
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Pretty hard to discuss for non-Americans,
I can't speak for Manfred, but I accepted the discussions, said OK and
moved forward.

-M

On 10/30/07, Andrew Robinson <andrew.rw.robinson@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unless the code is really bad, is it really derogatory at all? Apache
> is a native American name, so projects using that theme go well. I'm
> not aware of the other discussions, but I did come from a school that
> had to change its name because of non-native Americans complaining
> about native American rights and know the gist.
>
> Why would Native Americans be offended by their own tribe and location
> names? If anything it keeps people thinking of their people group and
> their culture which should be viewed as a good thing, I would hope.
>
> On 10/30/07, Manfred Geiler <manfred.geiler@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Oh no! Not that discussion again...  :-(
> >
> > Ron, you might not be aware of former discussions on this list - not
> > your fault of course.
> >
> > Yes, there are many ASF projects which have names related to Native
> > Americans, BUT there are also many people concerned that those names
> > could be offensive to Native Americans.
> >
> > And MyFaces is - of course - not the only ASF project where such
> > discussions took place: see [1] to get an idea about such discussions
> > in the Geronimo community.
> > BTW, did you know they once had "Tomahawk" in their list of suggest
> > alternatives?  ;-)
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, my personal opinion is
> > +/-0 for names related to Native Americans
> >
> > Just wanted to sensitize.
> >
> > --Manfred
> >
> >
> > [1] http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxSBOX/why-apache-geronimo.html
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/30/07, Ron Smits <ron@ronsmits.org> wrote:
> > > How about Tsalagi? that is the name of the cherokee language
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/30/07, Mario Ivankovits <mario@ops.co.at> wrote:
> > > > Hi!
> > > > > How about a new "ASF style" name instead of basic, commons or
> > > > > something else that could be more easily misconstrued?
> > > > >
> > > > Could you give an "ASF style" name for example?
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Mario
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > I reject your reality and substitute my own
> > >    --- Adam Savage, the mythbusters
> >
> >
> > --
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-- 
Matthias Wessendorf

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