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From "Matthias Wessendorf" <mat...@apache.org>
Subject Re: 301 almost ready
Date Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:05:12 GMT
that would be nice.
@Software-Grant: Schedule B of CCLA is in Omar's hands (at Oracle),
the update is simple

-Matthias

On 7/26/07, Martin Marinschek <martin.marinschek@gmail.com> wrote:
> I will post a mail questioning whether this code-grant can come in via
> IPC or as an incubation project to the incubator list.
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 7/26/07, Scott O'Bryan <darkarena@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Martin,
> >
> > Thanks for the link.  This is one of those strange cases where the
> > project "could" be considered a part of MyFaces or it could be
> > considered a new subproject.  I think either way, this definitely has to
> > go before the incubator PMC.
> >
> > I did talk with Michael Freedman (the JSR-301project lead) yesterday and
> > it's looking like he's going to be handing the code over to me sometime
> > next week or early the week after as opposed to this week like I
> > originally thought.  Because the code was developed in-house at Oracle
> > until the Apache community started expressing interest, he's just trying
> > to get stuff into a state where it could be reasonably handed off and be
> > able to be supported and enhanced by the community.  Still, it looks
> > like we have some footwork that needs to be done with incubator or
> > whatnot but I think it would be valuable to start figuring out where
> > this donation is going to go so that when we do get the code, we can hit
> > the ground running.  What do you guys think?  Is this something we can
> > figure out before the code donation is made or do we need to have the
> > code donation first?
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > Martin Marinschek wrote:
> > > Here is some further information on "Intellectual Property Clearance".
> > >
> > > http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > On 7/26/07, *Matthias Wessendorf* <matzew@apache.org
> > > <mailto:matzew@apache.org>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     > this is exceptionally great news. The question is now how we can
> > >     move in the
> > >     > code. The old question that arises now is incubator versus code
> > >     grant.
> > >
> > >     even a software grant has be to discussed on general@incubator as
> > >     well.
> > >
> > >     > The question that we'll need to answer is how the community that
> > >     so far has
> > >     > developed the code is structured.
> > >     >
> > >     > Main question: Can and will the code be further developed by
> > >     mostly persons
> > >     > who are already member of the MyFaces community, or does
> > >     community building
> > >     > have to occurr?
> > >     >
> > >     > Both Scott and me will be active in the development, we both are
> > >     active in
> > >     > the Trinidad/MyFaces community, so this is a plus. I would guess
> > >     that also
> > >     > Stan will be interested. So, I think that we as a community will
> > >     be able to
> > >     > handle the code easily.
> > >
> > >     Scott is already ASF committer, like you and Stan.
> > >     Also others here, not committers (yet), have provided feedback
> > >     regarding JSF + portlet.
> > >     Form that side, all is fine :)
> > >
> > >     -Matthias
> > >
> > >     > I would tend to think that in this case, a direct code grant
> > >     would be ok,
> > >     > what does everyone else think?
> > >     >
> > >     > regards,
> > >     >
> > >     > Martin
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     > On 7/25/07, Scott O'Bryan <darkarena@gmail.com
> > >     <mailto:darkarena@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >     > > Dennis,
> > >     > >
> > >     > > I checked with the project lead for JSR-301 and he said
> > >     licensing for
> > >     > > the TCK is still up in the air.  It is his intention to
> > >     publish it under
> > >     > > the Apache 2.0 license but I believe he is still trying to
> > >     work out the
> > >     > > logistics with Sun to make sure that Oracle can comply with
> > >     the JCP.
> > >     > >
> > >     > > He said that until the logistics of the TCK are worked out, he
> > >     would
> > >     > > like to contribute some testing code to the subproject here at
> > >     Apache
> > >     > > and would ultimately like those unit tests to drive the
> > >     TCK.  But the
> > >     > > TCK is, in large part, a piece of the JCP which gauges
> > >     compliance of
> > >     > > various implementations so we need to play nicely with them.
> > >     > >
> > >     > > Scott
> > >     > >
> > >     > > Scott O'Bryan wrote:
> > >     > > > One more comment, the unit tests that will hopefully be
made
> > >     as part
> > >     > > > of the Maven build will be developed as part of this project
> > >     and I
> > >     > > > have hopes they will be a lot more comprehensive then the
tests
> > >     > > > provided by the TCK.  :)  That's up to the community to
help
> > >     with that
> > >     > > > however.
> > >     > > >
> > >     > > > Scott
> > >     > > >
> > >     > > > Scott O'Bryan wrote:
> > >     > > >> I'll double check, but I think the TCK will be liscenced
> > >     using the
> > >     > > >> Apache 2.0, it's just that Oracle will maintain the
> > >     copyrights.  As
> > >     > > >> per agreements with the JCP, the TCK can only enforce
the
> > >     > > >> specification which is developed by the Java Community
> > >     EG.  I know
> > >     > > >> Martin is on the Expert Group representing Apache and
so am I
> > >     > > >> (representing Trinidad and the new Rich Renderkit we'll
be
> > >     donating
> > >     > > >> soon).  So the TCK can be influenced though that process.
> > >     > > >>
> > >     > > >> IMO, it's very much the same relationship that MyFaces
has
> > >     with the
> > >     > > >> JSF TCK which is developed by Sun, except that because
the
> > >     code
> > >     > > >> developed by the Apache community will be used as the
R.I., the
> > >     > > >> Apache community has a much better chance to influence
both
> > >     the TCK
> > >     > > >> and the future of the standard Portlet Bridge.
> > >     > > >>
> > >     > > >> Scott
> > >     > > >>
> > >     > > >> Dennis Byrne wrote:
> > >     > > >>> believe the TCK will be developed in-house at Oracle,
but the
> > >     > > >>>
> > >     > > >>>     development of the 301 bridge itself will be
done as
> > >     part of
> > >     > > >>> MyFaces
> > >     > > >>>     community.
> > >     > > >>>
> > >     > > >>>
> > >     > > >>> Hello Scott.  Does Oracle have control of the TCK
> > >     licensing?  If so,
> > >     > > >>> what are the chances of having anonymous read access
to
> > >     the code,
> > >     > > >>> and a license that lets us keep this in the continuous
> > >     integration
> > >     > > >>> loop right next the unit tests.  Thanks
> > >     > > >>>
> > >     > > >>>     Thanks,
> > >     > > >>>       Scott
> > >     > > >>>
> > >     > > >>>
> > >     > > >>> --
> > >     > > >>> Dennis Byrne
> > >     > > >>
> > >     > > >>
> > >     > > >
> > >     > > >
> > >     > >
> > >     > >
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     > --
> > >     >
> > >     > http://www.irian.at
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> > >     --
> > >     Matthias Wessendorf
> > >
> > >     further stuff:
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> > >     mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
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> > >
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
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>
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-- 
Matthias Wessendorf

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