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From Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohm...@atanion.com>
Subject Re: svn commit: r356552 - in /incubator/tobago/trunk: src/site/fml/faq.fml tobago-theme/tobago-theme-richmond/pom.xml
Date Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:49:08 GMT
Thanks for your answer.

But Tobago don't need any divs or spans in relation to layout.
Please look at the demo at http://tobago.atanion.net/site/  	especially 
the view source button :-)

Maybe we benefit from other features of Facelets.

Best Regards

Bernd Bohmann



jacob@hookom.net schrieb:
> Facelets is just a ViewHandler, that's it-- just as JSP is.  The benefit of Facelets
with Tobago is that it would allow aliasing of 
Tobago components in simple HTML divs or spans in relation to layout. 
Truthfully, it's a very big, win-win situation for both projects.  This 
is only one aspect of the Facelets framework.  If you have questions, 
just email the project owner on java.net.
> 
> -- Jacob (Facelets Guy)
> 
> 
>>We didn't have the time to really check out Facelets up to now. We 
>>removed the according FAQ entry and will take some time to look closer 
>>at Facelets. From the documentation of Facelets we just saw the 
>>"Tapestry-like views" aspect and this doesn't seem to make sense for Tobago.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Arvid
>>
>>Adam Winer wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mike is entirely correct.  There's no reason why any decent
>>>JSF component library shouldn't work with Facelets,
>>>and bommel@apache.org doesn't understand Facelets.
>>>ADF Faces, for example, abstracts away from HTML too;
>>>Facelets makes awesome sense with ADF Faces, just as
>>>it would with Tobago.
>>>
>>>The whole "Tapestry-like views" aspect of Facelets is just
>>>one small bit of it;  the major value is providing a much, much
>>>better environment for JSF than JSPs are.
>>>
>>>Honestly, anyone who uses Facelets after JSPs will
>>>never want to go back.  I don't quite get why MyFaces hasn't
>>>embraced Facelets fully.
>>>
>>>-- Adam Winer
>>>
>>>On 12/13/05, Mike Kienenberger <mkienenb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>>I think there's some misunderstanding here about facelets.   Facelets
>>>>isn't tied to any particular view technology (ie, html).
>>>>
>>>>"Facelets are based on HTML-designed JSP source code" is untrue.
>>>>Facelets doesn't use tld files or (jsp)Tag classes.   Facelets works
>>>>directly on the component class.
>>>>
>>>>There shouldn't be any reason why you can't use facelets with tobago,
>>>>providing you're writing clean components.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 12/13/05, bommel@apache.org <bommel@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Author: bommel
>>>>>Date: Tue Dec 13 09:35:51 2005
>>>>>New Revision: 356552
>>>>>
>>>>>URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=356552&view=rev
>>>>>Log:
>>>>>added faq for facelets
>>>>>
>>>>>Modified:
>>>>>   incubator/tobago/trunk/src/site/fml/faq.fml
>>>>>   incubator/tobago/trunk/tobago-theme/tobago-theme-richmond/pom.xml
>>>>>
>>>>>Modified: incubator/tobago/trunk/src/site/fml/faq.fml
>>>>>URL: 
>>
>>http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/incubator/tobago/trunk/src/site/fml/faq.fml?rev=3
>>56552&r1=356551&r2=356552&view=diff
>>
>>>>>============================================================================
>>
>>==
>>
>>>>>--- incubator/tobago/trunk/src/site/fml/faq.fml (original)
>>>>>+++ incubator/tobago/trunk/src/site/fml/faq.fml Tue Dec 13 09:35:51 2005
>>>>>@@ -22,6 +22,16 @@
>>>>>          components that need a renderer.</p>
>>>>>       </answer>
>>>>>    </faq>
>>>>>+    <faq id="tobago/facelets">
>>>>>+      <question>It is possible to combine tobago with 
>>
>>facelets?</question>
>>
>>>>>+      <answer>
>>>>>+        <p>It doesn't make sense.</p>
>>>>>+        <p>Facelets are based on HTML-designed JSP source code.</p>
>>>>>+        <p>Tobago on the other side abstracts from HTML. There
are no 
>>
>>HTML-Tags in the JSP source code.
>>
>>>>>+           There are only abstract tags. The Renderkit converts it to
HTML 
>>
>>or any other ML.
>>
>>>>>+           The idea of Tobago is: The theme controls the look-and-feel
of 
>>
>>the page.</p>
>>
>>>>>+      </answer>
>>>>>+    </faq>
>>>>>    <faq id="tiles/sitemesh">
>>>>>      <question>Can tobago replace tiles? Can I ignore tiles and
sitemesh 
>>
>>in the favor of tobago or not?
>>
>>>>>      </question>
>>>>>
>>>>>Modified: 
>>
>>incubator/tobago/trunk/tobago-theme/tobago-theme-richmond/pom.xml
>>
>>>>>URL: 
>>
>>http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/incubator/tobago/trunk/tobago-theme/tobago-theme-
>>richmond/pom.xml?rev=356552&r1=356551&r2=356552&view=diff
>>
>>>>>============================================================================
>>
>>==
>>
>>>>>--- incubator/tobago/trunk/tobago-theme/tobago-theme-richmond/pom.xml

>>
>>(original)
>>
>>>>>+++ incubator/tobago/trunk/tobago-theme/tobago-theme-richmond/pom.xml
Tue 
>>
>>Dec 13 09:35:51 2005
>>
>>>>>@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
>>>>>  </parent>
>>>>>  <artifactId>tobago-theme-richmond</artifactId>
>>>>>  <packaging>jar</packaging>
>>>>>-  <name>Tobago theme richmond</name>
>>>>>+  <name>Tobago theme Richmond</name>
>>>>>  <build>
>>>>>    <plugins>
>>>>>      <plugin>
>>>>>@@ -75,7 +75,7 @@
>>>>>      </exclusions>
>>>>>    </dependency>
>>>>>    <dependency>
>>>>>-       <groupId>javax.servlet</groupId>
>>>>>+      <groupId>javax.servlet</groupId>
>>>>>      <artifactId>servlet-api</artifactId>
>>>>>      <version>2.3</version>
>>>>>      <scope>provided</scope>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
> 
> 

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