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From "Stan Silvert" <>
Subject RE: Who belongs to the 'apsite' group on Minotaur?
Date Fri, 15 Apr 2005 02:36:06 GMT
OK, please forgive me if I missed some important stuff from the beginning of the thread.  

My point was simply that Sun should not force us to use a "lesser" name.  Unless I've missed
it, I don't see that the license actually says anything like that anyway.  From what I understand,
and this is the way it was for J2EE, we are not allowed to call ourselves a JSF implementation
until we pass TCK.  That seems to be the meaning of paragraph 2 of the license.  BTW, I'm
not an attorney and I don't play one on the net.

Of course I'm sure everyone wants us to pass TCK, Sun included.  This is why I think we should
contact someone with authority on this to make sure Sun won't get bent out of shape if we
just call it MyFaces 1.0.9.  Have we done that?

Calling it beta or release candidate or whatever hurts the project as it implies that MyFaces
is not ready for prime time.

This just seems like common sense to me.

Stan Silvert
JBoss, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig McClanahan []
Sent: Thu 4/14/2005 6:18 PM
To: Stan Silvert
Cc: MyFaces Development; Sean Schofield
Subject: Re: Who belongs to the 'apsite' group on Minotaur?
On 4/14/05, Stan Silvert <> wrote:
> <rant>
> It seems to me that all this will be very confusing for users whether we
> call this "Beta" or "non-final".  We might as well call it "horse poop",
> because nobody will want to use it in a real app.
> It IS MyFaces 1.0.9.  It should only be called "Beta" if it is not ready
> for prime time.
> I know that before the JBoss Application Server passed the TCK we didn't
> go around calling our product "Beta".
> </rant>

And that was the subject of considerable discussions :-).

> Can we get a clarification from Sun as to what the requirements are?
> I'm sure they will be reasonable about it.

See the spec license at the front of the JSF specification, available at:

In particular, the second paragraph under "NOTICE: LIMITED LICENSE GRANTS".

Everyone has always wanted MyFaces to pass the TCK and be certified --
it's just time to get with the program.

> Stan Silvert
> JBoss, Inc.
> callto://stansilvert

Craig McClanahan
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
(Was co-spec-lead for JSF 1.0)

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