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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:16:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Martin Cooper <martinc@apache.org>
To: MyFaces Development <myfaces-dev@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: A few more suggestions
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:

> I guess it even better to setup
> first GUMP instead of *migrating*
> from CVS to subversion.

I'm not sure what you mean by "instead of". Gump is a different beast=20
entirely, and isn't related to whether you use CVS or SVN. It's more of a=
=20
continuous integration tool, although its goal is to ensure that changes=20
in one project don't inadvertently break other projects, rather than to=20
work on a project by project basis.

> Does anybody know much about GUMP?

I'm not an expert by any means. But I know enough to see that MyFaces is=20
already building successfully in Gump. For example, see the log at:

http://brutus.apache.org/gump/public/buildLog.html

> Btw. Martin, are you using GUMP inside
> of Struts?

Gump isn't typically used by projects themselves. Rather, there is a Gump=
=20
installation that builds just about everything at the ASF (and many=20
projects from elsewhere as well) several times a day. If your project=20
breaks, you will receive "nag" messages telling you that.

--
Martin Cooper


> Thanks,
> Matthias
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Martin Cooper [mailto:martinc@apache.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:35 PM
>> To: MyFaces Development
>> Subject: Re: A few more suggestions
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Bill Dudney wrote:
>>
>>> Ted,
>>>
>>> Would it be possible for us to stay in CVS for the next few months
>>> then  do
>>> the conversion? I've not had to do it myself but I've read
>> that the cvs2svn
>>> script is supposed to do a good job of moving all the
>> history over. Once the
>>> IDE plugins catch up we could make the jump.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>
>> I'm not Ted ;-) but I would say that shouldn't be a problem -
>> depending,
>> of course, on how many months a "few" turns out to be. ;-) But we can
>> cross that bridge when we come to it.
>>
>> The cvs2svn tool does a great job of preserving everything,
>> history and
>> all. Once you're ready to make the move, the usual practice
>> is to load
>> everything into a test repo, let people play around with it
>> for a couple
>> of days, and then give infrasructure the nod. It should be quick and
>> painless for all involved.
>>
>> --
>> Martin Cooper
>>
>>
>>> -bd-
>>>
>>> On Jan 17, 2005, at 4:26 PM, Ted Husted wrote:
>>>
>>>> Moving to Subversion was "strongly suggested" when we drafted the
>>>> incubator
>>>> proposal. However, the developers felt that the CVS IDE
>> tools were more
>>>> mature, and that they would prefer to wait before switching.
>>>>
>>>> To receive the CVS logs, subscribe to
>>>> <incubator-myfaces-cvs@apache.org>.
>>>>
>>>> -Ted.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:21:00 -0800 (PST), Martin Cooper wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> =A0On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Sean Schofield wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> =A0I have a few more suggestions for the MyFaces development team:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =A0#1) Consider moving from CVS to Subversion (SVN) when
>> its time to
>>>>>> =A0leave the incubator. =A0Apache has both types of repositories
>>>>>> =A0available. Struts just recently moved to SVN and people like it.
>>>>>> =A0I'm not totally familiar with advantages vs.
>> disadvantages but it
>>>>>> =A0seems to be a lot more flexible. =A0If this is something we'd
>>>>>> =A0consider than it would be best to do it at the same time as
>>>>>> =A0MyFaces leaves the incubator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> =A0I would strongly encourage this. Apart from the fact that all of
>>>>> =A0the ASF repositories will eventually be required to move from CVS
>>>>> =A0to SVN, SVN really does have some excellent advantages. The two
>>>>> =A0biggest, in my experience, are atomic commits (meaning that all
>>>>> =A0changes within one commit are handled as a single
>> transaction) and
>>>>> =A0ease of refactoring. From an infrastructure perspective, using
>>>>> =A0moving to SVN means that individual Unix accounts for every
>>>>> =A0committer are no longer required.
>>>>>
>>>>>> =A0#2) Regardless of whether we use SVN or CVS, it would be nice to
>>>>>> =A0email the developer's list when users check in. =A0This is a
>>>>>> =A0standard practice with other Apache projects and helps
>> developers
>>>>>> =A0keep track of changes to the codebase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> =A0Yep. Not sure why this isn't happening already.
>>>>>
>>>>> =A0--
>>>>> =A0Martin Cooper
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> =A0sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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