From dev-return-7731-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Tue Jul 7 13:19:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 2AAAB180656 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 15:19:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 61458 invoked by uid 500); 7 Jul 2020 13:19:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@mxnet.incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 61442 invoked by uid 99); 7 Jul 2020 13:19:20 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Jul 2020 13:19:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 51552C0ADC for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 13:19:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.99 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.99 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH=-0.5, KAM_DMARC_STATUS=0.01, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL=-7.5] autolearn=disabled Received: from mx1-he-de.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Q-7WQjnYQEk for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 13:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=207.244.88.153; helo=mail.apache.org; envelope-from=mjwall@apache.org; receiver= Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by mx1-he-de.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-he-de.apache.org) with SMTP id 5167B7F65E for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 13:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 61353 invoked by uid 99); 7 Jul 2020 13:19:14 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO mailrelay1-lw-us.apache.org) (10.10.3.159) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Jul 2020 13:19:14 +0000 Received: from mail-qk1-f175.google.com (mail-qk1-f175.google.com [209.85.222.175]) by mailrelay1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mailrelay1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPSA id 2F501407C9 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2020 13:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk1-f175.google.com with SMTP id c139so37979623qkg.12 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2020 06:19:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531V16aJS12ulSozMzeVl34qL7gdXrPPDzIEw9hC6w36QAHCTK9Q GFYO/zTte8KOwS4jyctwJeG8T4tnnM1fCz5KqA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxvENdw1yuIBQ/+/kCCnIY6oYbtFeAYymagCnNLCusolhx3P3lCgg+OOGzZdflIliKpwIW4AY+EGvHiKO1ZEx8= X-Received: by 2002:a37:7803:: with SMTP id t3mr51476305qkc.358.1594127953864; Tue, 07 Jul 2020 06:19:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2FF9C60B-5F88-4D88-824B-5F27F7A441CC@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Michael Wall Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 09:19:02 -0400 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ownership of discuss.mxnet.io To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ticket created, see https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-20493 On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 12:35 PM Michael Wall wrote: > > Ok, thanks Sheng. I will get a ticket created. > > Looks like there are releases hosted on dist.mxnet.io and > repo.mxnet.io as well? Are we looking for INFRA to host those as > well? > > I see discuss.mxnet.io is now being archived to > discuss-archive@mxnet.apache.org. Is there a similar plan in the > works for discuss.gluon.ai? > > Makes sense on the brand management review, I will hold off until we > hear from INFRA. > > Mike > > On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 12:31 PM Sheng Zha wrote: > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > Thank you for offering to help. Yes, that=E2=80=99s the correct underst= anding. > > > > For brand management, we still haven=E2=80=99t started the review yet. = On the other hand, if the hosting is on Apache infra and PPMC manages the s= ite, then the site will no longer be owned by a third party. > > > > Thanks, > > Sheng > > > > > On Jul 5, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Michael Wall wrote: > > > > > > =EF=BB=BFDid a ticket ever get opened for this? I can open one, but = want to > > > verify my understanding: > > > > > > "We want to explore the possibility of hosting discuss.mxnet.io and > > > discuss.gluon.ai on Apache infrastructure and hook into Apache user > > > management." > > > > > > Shane also asked if we started a conversation with Brand management. > > > How can I help there? > > > > > > Mike > > > > > >> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:03 AM Marco de Abreu wrote: > > >> > > >> I think we can start by opening a ticket with infra referring to thi= s > > >> thread. > > >> > > >> -Marco > > >> > > >> Sheng Zha schrieb am Do., 18. Juni 2020, 09:45: > > >> > > >>> Hi Shane, > > >>> > > >>> Thanks for the comment. With my apache hat on, I definitely agree t= hat it > > >>> would be better to have such forum on Apache managed infra. I=E2=80= =99ve started > > >>> with discussion archive to ensure that everything is recorded, and = I think > > >>> I can quickly try to make the backups of that forum accessible to t= he PPMC > > >>> and Apache infra. > > >>> > > >>> I think the best way to achieve the goal of continuity, eventually,= would > > >>> be to host it on Apache infrastructure and have its hosting funded = by ASF. > > >>> How do we go about requesting this? > > >>> > > >>> As for the trademark review, we started working on reviewing the bi= nary > > >>> distribution usage and are currently focusing on the more pressing = issue > > >>> there. We will get to the domain name usage afterwards. > > >>> > > >>> -sz > > >>> > > >>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 6:07 AM, Shane Curcuru = wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> =EF=BB=BFOn 2020/06/12 22:39:10, Marco de Abreu > > >>> wrote: ... > > >>>>> The mxnet.io domain is not under control of the ASF. If we say th= at a > > >>> user > > >>>>> facing platform is managed and endorsed by the PPMC, we should ma= ke it > > >>>>> available under the ASF domain system to further represent the of= ficial > > >>>>> affiliation. Also, it removes a weak link in the chain - e.g. the= case > > >>> when > > >>>>> the mxnet.io domain ran out and broke quite a bit of stuff. Since= the > > >>> ASF > > >>>>> offers subdomains for projects, I don't see any reason why not to= use > > >>> them. > > >>>> > > >>>> This is the core issue for me, from the larger Apache perspective. > > >>>> Domain names using Apache marks - especially when they have intera= ctive > > >>>> traffic about the Apache project itself - work best when the domai= n name > > >>>> itself is owned by the ASF. That ensures continuity for the futur= e, in > > >>>> the case where a party (which includes individual PMC members) sto= ps > > >>>> contributing to the project. When the ASF Infra team has direct a= dmin > > >>>> access to a service or domain, we know that the ASF will be able t= o > > >>>> manage it for the future. > > >>>> > > >>>> Also, has the PPMC worked with Apache Brand Management on use of > > >>>> trademarks in domain names? > > >>>> > > >>>> https://apache.org/foundation/marks/domains > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> > > >>>> - Shane > > >>>> Director & Member > > >>>> The Apache Software Foundation > > >>>