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From Sheng Zha <>
Subject Re: Ownership of
Date Sun, 05 Jul 2020 16:31:26 GMT
Hi Michael,

Thank you for offering to help. Yes, that’s the correct understanding.

For brand management, we still haven’t started the review yet. On the other hand, if the
hosting is on Apache infra and PPMC manages the site, then the site will no longer be owned
by a third party.


> On Jul 5, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Michael Wall <> wrote:
> Did a ticket ever get opened for this?  I can open one, but want to
> verify my understanding:
> "We want to explore the possibility of hosting and
> on Apache infrastructure and hook into Apache user
> management."
> Shane also asked if we started a conversation with Brand management.
> How can I help there?
> Mike
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:03 AM Marco de Abreu <> wrote:
>> I think we can start by opening a ticket with infra referring to this
>> thread.
>> -Marco
>> Sheng Zha <> schrieb am Do., 18. Juni 2020, 09:45:
>>> Hi Shane,
>>> Thanks for the comment. With my apache hat on, I definitely agree that it
>>> would be better to have such forum on Apache managed infra. I’ve started
>>> with discussion archive to ensure that everything is recorded, and I think
>>> I can quickly try to make the backups of that forum accessible to the PPMC
>>> and Apache infra.
>>> I think the best way to achieve the goal of continuity, eventually, would
>>> be to host it on Apache infrastructure and have its hosting funded by ASF.
>>> How do we go about requesting this?
>>> As for the trademark review, we started working on reviewing the binary
>>> distribution usage and are currently focusing on the more pressing issue
>>> there. We will get to the domain name usage afterwards.
>>> -sz
>>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 6:07 AM, Shane Curcuru <> wrote:
>>>> On 2020/06/12 22:39:10, Marco de Abreu <>
>>> wrote: ...
>>>>> The domain is not under control of the ASF. If we say that a
>>> user
>>>>> facing platform is managed and endorsed by the PPMC, we should make it
>>>>> available under the ASF domain system to further represent the official
>>>>> affiliation. Also, it removes a weak link in the chain - e.g. the case
>>> when
>>>>> the domain ran out and broke quite a bit of stuff. Since the
>>> ASF
>>>>> offers subdomains for projects, I don't see any reason why not to use
>>> them.
>>>> This is the core issue for me, from the larger Apache perspective.
>>>> Domain names using Apache marks - especially when they have interactive
>>>> traffic about the Apache project itself - work best when the domain name
>>>> itself is owned by the ASF.  That ensures continuity for the future, in
>>>> the case where a party (which includes individual PMC members) stops
>>>> contributing to the project.  When the ASF Infra team has direct admin
>>>> access to a service or domain, we know that the ASF will be able to
>>>> manage it for the future.
>>>> Also, has the PPMC worked with Apache Brand Management on use of
>>>> trademarks in domain names?
>>>> --
>>>> - Shane
>>>> Director & Member
>>>> The Apache Software Foundation

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