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From Marco de Abreu <marco.g.ab...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Ownership of discuss.mxnet.io
Date Fri, 12 Jun 2020 22:39:10 GMT
Thanks for elaborating!

You are right, there's no requirement to host on ASF infrastructure. I was
just thinking about what happens when that funding is cut or when there's
an issue. What's the strategy to ensure no data loss in case of priority
shift or defunding from Amazon? Opposed to the CI which is fully codified
and under version control, we as PMC have no means to recover from a
disaster in case of Discourse.

The mxnet.io domain is not under control of the ASF. If we say that a user
facing platform is managed and endorsed by the PPMC, we should make it
available under the ASF domain system to further represent the official
affiliation. Also, it removes a weak link in the chain - e.g. the case when
the mxnet.io domain ran out and broke quite a bit of stuff. Since the ASF
offers subdomains for projects, I don't see any reason why not to use them.

Could you open a ticket with INFRA to check what authentication options
they are offering? I couldn't find any info on the website.

-Marco

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 12:24 AM Sheng Zha <zhasheng@apache.org> wrote:

> > Could you elaborate about the hosting of the forum? Is there the
> > possibility to move it to some ASF-managed webhost (I'm not sure about
> the
> > complexity of hosting Discourse)?
>
> The website is currently a subscribed hosted service provided by
> discourse, donated by Amazon. It is possible to host it ourselves but it
> would incur additional operational cost. In addition, I'm not aware of a
> requirement to have it on ASF infrastructure, given that it's only for
> answering user questions and we don't conduct official Apache MXNet
> businesses there.
>
> > Also, I'd suggest to make an Apache managed subdomain the main domain
> (e.g.
> > https://discuss.mxnet.apache.org/ <https://mxnet.apache.org/>). The
> > existing domain could be a redirect.
>
> I don't see a benefit of doing that, nor am I aware of a requirement for
> it.
>
> > Additionally, can we hook it up to the Apache IDP to allow committers and
> > pmc members to be automatically authorized?
>
> This sounds like a good idea though I'm not sure how to proceed. If
> someone knows how to proceed I'm happy to help grant necessary access to it.
>
> -sz
>
>
> On 2020/06/12 22:07:47, Marco de Abreu <marco.g.abreu@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Sheng,
> >
> > thanks for the quick response.
> >
> > Could you elaborate about the hosting of the forum? Is there the
> > possibility to move it to some ASF-managed webhost (I'm not sure about
> the
> > complexity of hosting Discourse)?
> >
> > Also, I'd suggest to make an Apache managed subdomain the main domain
> (e.g.
> > https://discuss.mxnet.apache.org/ <https://mxnet.apache.org/>). The
> > existing domain could be a redirect.
> >
> > Additionally, can we hook it up to the Apache IDP to allow committers and
> > pmc members to be automatically authorized?
> >
> > Best regards
> > Marco
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 11:24 PM Sheng Zha <zhasheng@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Marco,
> > >
> > > I'm an admin of that website along with a couple of other PPMC members.
> > > This forum has been around for some time and has been helpful in
> connecting
> > > users of mxnet to the developer community. I think it's in the best
> > > interest of this community to consider this under PPMC control for
> better
> > > discoverability under the mxnet domain name. I'm happy to grant you
> admin
> > > access if you or any other PPMC members need it. If you feel otherwise,
> > > feel free to propose how you suggest we proceed.
> > >
> > > -sz
> > >
> > > On 2020/06/12 21:07:28, Marco de Abreu <marcoabreu@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Due to a PR [1] I had a closer look at discuss.mxnet.io which is a
> > > forum to
> > > > discuss about MXNet. It's a very helpful platform and provides great
> > > > assistance for the community.
> > > >
> > > > When I looked into the terms of services [2] though, I noticed that
> the
> > > ASF
> > > > and MXNet ppmc are mentioned as owners.
> > > >
> > > > From my understanding, that forum and the domain are not managed by
> the
> > > ASF
> > > > or the mxnet ppmc. Thus, that statement does not seem correct and is
> > > rather
> > > > a trademark infringement. My understanding is that the platform is
> > > operated
> > > > by a third party as a community service towards MXNet. Thus, I think
> it's
> > > > important to properly express who's responsible for that platform.
> > > >
> > > > If somebody has any knowledge about the owner of that forum, I'd
> > > appreciate
> > > > if they could give them a heads up for this thread.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > > Marco
> > > >
> > > > [1]: https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/18553/files
> > > > [2]: https://discuss.mxnet.io/tos
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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