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From "Davydenko, Denis" <dzianis.davydze...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Rebrand Gluon to MXNet imperative or something MXNet.
Date Sat, 23 Mar 2019 00:10:41 GMT
This sounds pretty good from my perspective, I would +1 such suggestion!


On 3/22/19, 5:09 PM, "Junru Shao" <junrushao1994@gmail.com> wrote:

    I feel like MXNet Gluon is a good name. You don't lose customers who have
    been familiar with MXNet, nor lose customers who are used to MXNet symbolic.
    
    On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 5:07 PM Davydenko, Denis <
    dzianis.davydzenka@gmail.com> wrote:
    
    > As subject suggests this is a proposal for re-branding of Gluon to align
    > it with MXNet. One of the common things undertaken for re-branding
    > exercises is renaming. That's what my thinking behind suggesting new name
    > for Gluon. I am sincerely curious what would be alternatives to rebrand
    > Gluon to align it with MXNet without changing its name.
    >
    >
    > On 3/22/19, 4:57 PM, "Mu Li" <muli.cmu@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >     Are you proposing to rename Gluon? I think Pedro's opinion is about a
    >     better way to communicate what's Gluon and how it's related to MXNet.
    >
    >     On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 4:54 PM Davydenko, Denis
    > <dden@amazon.com.invalid>
    >     wrote:
    >
    >     > I support idea of putting brands of MXNet and Gluon closer together.
    > I
    >     > agree with your argument, Mu, but MXNet is quite far away from TF
    > place at
    >     > this time so I don’t know how well that argument is transferable
    > from TF
    >     > position to MXNet position.
    >     >
    >     > MXNet Imperative is definitely too restrictive of a name, we can
    > come up
    >     > with better one... MXNet-M for example, stands for MXNet-Modified
    > (military
    >     > connotation). If naming is the only thing we need to figure out -
    > that is a
    >     > good place to be in __
    >     >
    >     > --
    >     > Thanks,
    >     > Denis
    >     >
    >     > On 3/22/19, 4:48 PM, "Mu Li" <muli.cmu@gmail.com> wrote:
    >     >
    >     >     Gluon is about imperative neural network training and data
    > loading.
    >     > ndarray
    >     >     is another large imperative module. Besides, Gluon also supports
    >     > symbolic
    >     >     execution after hybridizing.  mxnet imperative might not be a
    > good
    >     > name for
    >     >     it. Another choice is high-level API, that's how TF talks about
    > Keras.
    >     >
    >     >     On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 4:38 PM Yuan Tang <
    > terrytangyuan@gmail.com>
    >     > wrote:
    >     >
    >     >     > +1
    >     >     >
    >     >     > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 7:29 PM Lin Yuan <apeforest@gmail.com>
    >     > wrote:
    >     >     >
    >     >     > > +1.
    >     >     > >
    >     >     > > Just to give some of my real experience:
    >     >     > > 1) I advertised a recent GluonNLP blog and many responses
are
    >     > "This seems
    >     >     > > nice. So is Gluon a new library to replace MXNet?"
    >     >     > > 2) We visited customers in a unicorn company who showed
    > interests
    >     > in
    >     >     > MXNet
    >     >     > > but none of the engineers knew the relationship between
    >     > GluonNLP/GluonCV
    >     >     > > and MXNet
    >     >     > > 3) When integrating MXNet to Horovod and adding examples,
I
    >     > received
    >     >     > > comments like "What is Gluon? Is it a new library in
    > addition to
    >     > MXNet?"
    >     >     > >
    >     >     > > Everyone is talking about PyTorch nowadays, but not Caffe2
    > anymore
    >     >     > although
    >     >     > > the latter is still serving as a backend component. Maybe
we
    >     > should also
    >     >     > > doubledown on one brand?
    >     >     > >
    >     >     > > Lin
    >     >     > >
    >     >     > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 4:02 PM Pedro Larroy <
    >     >     > pedro.larroy.lists@gmail.com
    >     >     > > >
    >     >     > > wrote:
    >     >     > >
    >     >     > > > Hi dev@
    >     >     > > >
    >     >     > > > We heard feedback from users that the Gluon name is
    > confusing.
    >     > Some of
    >     >     > > > them don't even know it's MXNet and it's unclear the
    >     > relationship with
    >     >     > > > MXNet
    >     >     > > >
    >     >     > > > Would it make sense to rebrand Gluon to just MXNet or
MXNet
    >     >     > > > imperative? Diluting brands and names is never a good
idea.
    >     >     > > >
    >     >     > > > There's also gluonhq which is related to JavaFX which
adds
    > to the
    >     >     > > > confusion, search engine friendliness is not high as
well.
    >     >     > > >
    >     >     > > > Pedro.
    >     >     > > >
    >     >     > >
    >     >     >
    >     >
    >     >
    >     >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    



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