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From Steffen Rochel <steffenroc...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Date Thu, 25 Oct 2018 04:42:54 GMT
Carin - please see
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT
:
Discussion about committer proposal:

   - Proposal default should be to have separation between committer and
   PPMC election
   - Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona?
   - Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member


Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet.

Steffen


On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier <carinmeier@gmail.com> wrote:

> A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts that are
> occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the meeting in
> regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like to attend the
> session later today, but may not due to family obligations.
>
> Thanks!
> Carin
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel <steffenrochel@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I incorporated
> > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate committer/PPMC
> > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not be
> considered
> > as a hard rule, but recommendation.
> >
> > Steffen
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <carinmeier@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer and PPMC
> > > guidelines.
> > >
> > > Please everyone review and provide feedback
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > > .
> > >
> > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the discussions/revisions are
> > > complete.
> > >
> > > - Carin
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <carinmeier@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Great!
> > > >
> > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
> > > >
> > > > - Carin
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <
> > steffenrochel@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
> > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
> > > >> Steffen
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <carinmeier@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Background:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow the
> > > community.
> > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the current
> > > >> committer
> > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
> > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to committership
> > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC
> (discussed
> > > in
> > > >> > another thread)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Current State:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The current committer criteria is here
> > > >> >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > > >> as
> > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
> > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Proposal:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the Apache
> Beam
> > > >> project
> > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Short quote from page:
> > > >> >       =================
> > > >> > An Apache Beam committer…
> > > >> > <
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >    - Takes many forms
> > > >> >    <
> > > >> >
> > >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
> > > >> >
> > > >> >    - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software Foundation
> > > code
> > > >> of
> > > >> >    conduct
> > > >> >    <
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >    - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities of an
> > Apache
> > > >> >    Software Foundation committer
> > > >> >    <
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >    - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s practices
> > > >> >    <
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >    - =================
> > > >> >    <
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with this
> model
> > > it
> > > >> > will open  the path to committership to a wider pool, acknowledge
> > that
> > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values and
> > > >> > responsibilities.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level but we
> could
> > > add
> > > >> it
> > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF responsibilities
and
> > > >> values of
> > > >> > this level.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible direction. If
the
> > > >> community
> > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I would be happy
to
> > > >> create
> > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at - (or if
> > someone
> > > >> else
> > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Carin
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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