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From Pedro Larroy <pedro.larroy.li...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria
Date Thu, 25 Oct 2018 10:39:25 GMT
This is the first hangout that I was able to attend, I liked the format and
found them valuable. Thanks for organizing and publishing the notes.
Looking forward to the next one.

Pedro

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:44 AM Steffen Rochel <steffenrochel@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Carin - please see
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Hangout+October+24th+2018+8am+and+5pm+PDT
> :
> Discussion about committer proposal:
>
>    - Proposal default should be to have separation between committer and
>    PPMC election
>    - Criteria are vague, should we add some example persona?
>    - Spell out privileges of committer and PPMC member
>
>
> Note: I update the project proposal to address first bullet.
>
> Steffen
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:29 AM Carin Meier <carinmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > A request to whoever is taking notes at the MXNet Hangouts that are
> > occurring today. Could you please recap feedback from the meeting in
> > regards to document revisions here for everyone? I would like to attend
> the
> > session later today, but may not due to family obligations.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Carin
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 2:24 PM Steffen Rochel <steffenrochel@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Carin - I got feedback on my proposal and made changes. I incorporated
> > > Tianqi's suggesiton that we should strive to nominate committer/PPMC
> > > candidates from outside ones own organization. It should not be
> > considered
> > > as a hard rule, but recommendation.
> > >
> > > Steffen
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:18 PM Carin Meier <carinmeier@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Steffen helping draft up the proposal for Committer and PPMC
> > > > guidelines.
> > > >
> > > > Please everyone review and provide feedback
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+(incubating)+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > > I plan to start a vote on this Friday if the discussions/revisions
> are
> > > > complete.
> > > >
> > > > - Carin
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM Carin Meier <carinmeier@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Great!
> > > > >
> > > > > I started a rough draft for collaboration at
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+a+Committer+Proposal
> > > > > .
> > > > >
> > > > > Everyone feel free to enhance and provide feedback.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Carin
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:55 AM Steffen Rochel <
> > > steffenrochel@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> +1, great suggestion, thanks Carin!
> > > > >> I'm willing to collaborate to create a draft proposal.
> > > > >> Steffen
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 5:35 AM Carin Meier <carinmeier@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Background:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > There is a desire to increase the committer pool and grow
the
> > > > community.
> > > > >> > This thread is to discuss the possibility of revision the
> current
> > > > >> committer
> > > > >> > criteria in light of the following goals:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > - Make it easier to newcomers to be committers
> > > > >> > - Recognize non-code contributions as paths to committership
> > > > >> > - Open the door to separating levels of committer and PMC
> > (discussed
> > > > in
> > > > >> > another thread)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Current State:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The current committer criteria is here
> > > > >> >
> > > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Becoming+a+Committer
> > > > >> as
> > > > >> > is modeled after the Hadoop committer criteria
> > > > >> > https://hadoop.apache.org/committer_criteria.html
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Proposal:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Model the MXNet path to committership and PMC after the
Apache
> > Beam
> > > > >> project
> > > > >> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Short quote from page:
> > > > >> >       =================
> > > > >> > An Apache Beam committer…
> > > > >> > <
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#an-apache-beam-committer
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >    - Takes many forms
> > > > >> >    <
> > > > >> >
> > > >
> > https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#takes-many-forms
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >    - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Apache Software
> Foundation
> > > > code
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> >    conduct
> > > > >> >    <
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-apache-software-foundation-code-of-conduct
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >    - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the responsibilities
of an
> > > Apache
> > > > >> >    Software Foundation committer
> > > > >> >    <
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-responsibilities-of-an-apache-software-foundation-committer
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >    - Knows, upholds, and reinforces the Beam community’s
> practices
> > > > >> >    <
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >    - =================
> > > > >> >    <
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/become-a-committer/#knows-upholds-and-reinforces-the-beam-communitys-practices
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I believe if we merge our current committer criteria with
this
> > model
> > > > it
> > > > >> > will open  the path to committership to a wider pool,
> acknowledge
> > > that
> > > > >> > there are multiple paths, and reinforce the ASF values and
> > > > >> > responsibilities.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The Beam model does not explicitly address a PMC level but
we
> > could
> > > > add
> > > > >> it
> > > > >> > in in the same spirit of reinforcing the ASF responsibilities
> and
> > > > >> values of
> > > > >> > this level.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Looking forward to feedback about this possible direction.
If
> the
> > > > >> community
> > > > >> > is interested looking more into this direction I would be
happy
> to
> > > > >> create
> > > > >> > of first draft of something more concrete to look at - (or
if
> > > someone
> > > > >> else
> > > > >> > wants to take a crack at it too that would be great)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > - Carin
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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