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From Naveen Swamy <mnnav...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Discussion] PMC and Committer Courtesy: Only Propose Candidate in a Different Organization
Date Mon, 22 Oct 2018 04:19:05 GMT
this suggestion looks like it is putting the onus on contributors to
collaborate with contributors outside their org to get nominated to be
committer or a PMC of this project.
Every organization has its own business goals, on the way to meet their
objectives if their employees happen to be great contributors to this
project, I would expect PMC members(wearing their Apache hat) to recognize
them and give them a greater role in the project.
I would assume the responsibility of increasing the diversity is solely
upon the PMC members, the PMC should look ways to evangelize the project,
mentor new contributors, nominate and make them a part of the project's
journey.
I do agree that we have to increase the diversity and suggest to explore
different ways( for example collaborate with other successful Open source
projects to get their members excited about MXNet).

Guideline or not, I cannot agree to this in principle.
-1


On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 8:22 PM Tianqi Chen <tqchen@cs.washington.edu>
wrote:

> >
> >  Many potential committers and
> > PMC won’t interact with the non-Amazonians at all (since there are so
> few),
> > so they’d be relegated to obscurity and hopelessness by default.
> >
>
> If potential contributors do not comes from Amazon, then the Amazonian PMC
> can nominate them :)  If the potential contributors does comes from Amazon,
> then it is not a bad thing to interact with bigger part of the community. I
> can expect that as more non-Amazonian contributors get nonimated, this
> would make the process more healthy.
>
> Like neural networks, any guideline can be played in adverserial fashion
> (e.g. in the case of the gray areas). I think having a goodwill to push the
> guideline will understandably make people to work together.
>
> Afterall, this is an Apache project that should goes beyond a single
> company
>
> Tianqi
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 5:06 PM Steffen Rochel <steffenrochel@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Tianqi -
> > > +1 . I like the idea to grow diversity at the project and encourage
> > > communication beyond people sitting next to each other. I also support
> > the
> > > way you described as guideline, not has a hard rule. I think it is
> > > important we focus on merit and contributions when evaluating nominee
> for
> > > committer and PPMC.
> > >
> > > Carin started a draft document for revised criteria for committer and
> > PPMC
> > > membership
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
> > > >.
> > > I suggest to contribute, provide feedback and suggestion including your
> > > proposal.
> > >
> > > Steffen
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 10:22 AM Tianqi Chen <tqchen@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear MXNet Community:
> > > >
> > > > There has been a great discussion going on in terms of
> > > > PMC/Committer Criteria.  As a community move forward, it is important
> > to
> > > > make the community inclusive to everyone and encourage folks to work
> > > > together.
> > > >
> > > > I want to propose the following proposal courtesy: when a PMC
> proposes
> > a
> > > > committer/PMC member, for courtesy of the community, she/he should
> only
> > > > propose a person from a different organization(company).
> > > >
> > > > The idea behind that is that the Apache project goes beyond a single
> > > > organization, it is important to recognize others, including those
> > from a
> > > > different organization in the community, and get your merit being
> > > > recognized by others.
> > > >
> > > > Admittedly, this would also give more "power" to the PMC members from
> > > > minority organizations -- which I think is a good thing. This might
> > also
> > > > encourage everyone to work together and talk to folks who are beyond
> > your
> > > > next door
> > > >
> > > > Tianqi
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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