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From Jim Jagielski <...@jaguNET.com>
Subject Re: [Discussion] PMC and Committer Courtesy: Only Propose Candidate in a Different Organization
Date Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:29:13 GMT
Neither can I.

> On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:19 AM, Naveen Swamy <mnnaveen@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> this suggestion looks like it is putting the onus on contributors to
> collaborate with contributors outside their org to get nominated to be
> committer or a PMC of this project.
> Every organization has its own business goals, on the way to meet their
> objectives if their employees happen to be great contributors to this
> project, I would expect PMC members(wearing their Apache hat) to recognize
> them and give them a greater role in the project.
> I would assume the responsibility of increasing the diversity is solely
> upon the PMC members, the PMC should look ways to evangelize the project,
> mentor new contributors, nominate and make them a part of the project's
> journey.
> I do agree that we have to increase the diversity and suggest to explore
> different ways( for example collaborate with other successful Open source
> projects to get their members excited about MXNet).
> 
> Guideline or not, I cannot agree to this in principle.
> -1
> 
> 
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 8:22 PM Tianqi Chen <tqchen@cs.washington.edu>
> wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> Many potential committers and
>>> PMC won’t interact with the non-Amazonians at all (since there are so
>> few),
>>> so they’d be relegated to obscurity and hopelessness by default.
>>> 
>> 
>> If potential contributors do not comes from Amazon, then the Amazonian PMC
>> can nominate them :)  If the potential contributors does comes from Amazon,
>> then it is not a bad thing to interact with bigger part of the community. I
>> can expect that as more non-Amazonian contributors get nonimated, this
>> would make the process more healthy.
>> 
>> Like neural networks, any guideline can be played in adverserial fashion
>> (e.g. in the case of the gray areas). I think having a goodwill to push the
>> guideline will understandably make people to work together.
>> 
>> Afterall, this is an Apache project that should goes beyond a single
>> company
>> 
>> Tianqi
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 5:06 PM Steffen Rochel <steffenrochel@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Tianqi -
>>>> +1 . I like the idea to grow diversity at the project and encourage
>>>> communication beyond people sitting next to each other. I also support
>>> the
>>>> way you described as guideline, not has a hard rule. I think it is
>>>> important we focus on merit and contributions when evaluating nominee
>> for
>>>> committer and PPMC.
>>>> 
>>>> Carin started a draft document for revised criteria for committer and
>>> PPMC
>>>> membership
>>>> <
>>>> 
>>> 
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal
>>>>> .
>>>> I suggest to contribute, provide feedback and suggestion including your
>>>> proposal.
>>>> 
>>>> Steffen
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 10:22 AM Tianqi Chen <tqchen@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear MXNet Community:
>>>>> 
>>>>> There has been a great discussion going on in terms of
>>>>> PMC/Committer Criteria.  As a community move forward, it is important
>>> to
>>>>> make the community inclusive to everyone and encourage folks to work
>>>>> together.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I want to propose the following proposal courtesy: when a PMC
>> proposes
>>> a
>>>>> committer/PMC member, for courtesy of the community, she/he should
>> only
>>>>> propose a person from a different organization(company).
>>>>> 
>>>>> The idea behind that is that the Apache project goes beyond a single
>>>>> organization, it is important to recognize others, including those
>>> from a
>>>>> different organization in the community, and get your merit being
>>>>> recognized by others.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Admittedly, this would also give more "power" to the PMC members from
>>>>> minority organizations -- which I think is a good thing. This might
>>> also
>>>>> encourage everyone to work together and talk to folks who are beyond
>>> your
>>>>> next door
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tianqi
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 


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