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From Jim Jagielski <...@jaguNET.com>
Subject Re: Deprecate python 2
Date Fri, 13 Jul 2018 13:10:02 GMT
Would we expect people to be using MXnet in a "enterprise RHEL7" environment?

In other words, RHEL7 is for the enterprise, production environments where
nothing changes and things are, and remain, as stable as stable can be.
Is that really the type of environ where we expect people to be using MXnet?

> On Jul 13, 2018, at 4:29 AM, Marco de Abreu <marco.g.abreu@googlemail.com.INVALID>
wrote:
> 
> I can't remember exactly where I found it, but I found the following
> statements:
> - "only a commercially supported subset of Fedora derived packages are
> included in the RHEL distribution" [1]
> - "there are no commercial support contracts or service level agreements
> provided by Red Hat for packages in EPEL" [2]
> - "How can we be sure that someone will maintain the packages until end of
> life of the distribution the packages were built for?" -> "The only way to
> be sure is to do it yourself" [3]
> - "Red Hat Global Support Services will be unable to support or debug
> problems with packages not shipped in standard RHEL channels." [4]
> - "The EPEL repository is not a part of Red Hat Enterprise Linux and does
> not fall under Red Hat's Production Support Scope of Coverage. The
> repository is considered an optional repository and is not tested by Red
> Hat quality engineers." [4]
> 
> Like I said, I've never used RHEL and thus have limited knowledge about the
> conventions. The statements above just gave me the impression that EPEL is
> not a preferred choice for customers in a production. Considering Python2
> is part of the RHEL repository and Python3 only exists in EPEL, I thought
> that this would make sense.
> 
> The stable repository of EPEL is described at [5] and the testing one at
> [6].
> 
> Best regards,
> Marco
> 
> [1]:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/FAQ#Why_is_the_Fedora_Project_sponsoring_EPEL.3F
> [2]:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/FAQ#Is_EPEL_commercially_supported_by_Red_Hat.3F
> [3]:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/FAQ#How_can_we_be_sure_that_someone_will_maintain_the_packages_until_end_of_life_of_the_distribution_the_packages_were_built_for.3F
> [4]: https://access.redhat.com/solutions/3358
> [5]:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL#How_can_I_use_these_extra_packages.3F
> [6]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/testing
> 
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 8:40 AM Chen HY <chenhy12345@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Could you please finding the original document you have read about EPEL?
>> I just check the EPEL website again, failed to find a stable repository
>> you mentioned.
>> As my understanding, EPEL repo is as reliable as other non-commercial rpm
>> repository.
>> 
>> Website: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL
>> 
>> HY
>> 
>> 
>> 发件人: Marco de Abreu
>> 发送时间: 2018年7月13日 0:27
>> 收件人: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org
>> 主题: Re: Deprecate python 2
>> 
>> Sorry, I pressed the send button too early. I think epel repository is not
>> deemed stable enough that it qualifies to be used in all Enterprise
>> environments - epel itself has a stable and a release repository. I'm not
>> very familiar with CentOS or RHEL, but that's what I read when I designed
>> the CentOS docker containers. If anybody has more knowledge I'm happy to
>> get corrected here :)
>> 
>> -Marco
>> 
>> Marco de Abreu <marco.g.abreu@googlemail.com> schrieb am Fr., 13. Juli
>> 2018, 01:23:
>> 
>>> As far as I know is the epel repository not considered stable.
>>> 
>>> Chen HY <chenhy12345@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 13. Juli 2018, 00:18:
>>> 
>>>> CentOS 7 has Python 3.4.8 and python 3.6.3 in epel repo.
>>>> Is that stable ?
>>>> HY
>>>> 发件人: Marco de Abreu
>>>> 发送时间: 2018年7月12日 23:00
>>>> 收件人: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org
>>>> 主题: Re: Deprecate python 2
>>>> 
>>>> CentOS 7, for example, does not offer stable Python 3 support. We're
>> using
>>>> an unstable version in our CI to verify it none the less. I think
>> that's a
>>>> hard stop for quite a few users.
>>>> 
>>>> -Marco
>>>> 
>>>> Pedro Larroy <pedro.larroy.lists@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 12. Juli
>>>> 2018,
>>>> 23:51:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would like to know your opinion in regards to deprecating and
>> removing
>>>>> Python 2. Maybe for MXNet 2.0 ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> What's the reason to have support for Python2?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pedro.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 


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