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From Qing Lan <lanking...@live.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] improve MXNet Scala release process
Date Sun, 29 Jul 2018 06:44:41 GMT
Thanks Marco, Naveen and Sheng's feedback.

About the 1): Scala side will only pack the mxnet binary only and use dynamic links to all
the rest dependencies. So indeed it will require users to install all deps as the same as
the builder platforms version and this will make them hard to use. Let's please collaborate
and create a (set of) general CI script(s) to install the deps and bring static links to the
package.

About 3): it is indeed a general problems for both Scala and Python publish. If there is a
good way we can safely store the credentials, we can definitely give automated publish a go.
And thanks again for Marco's option provided below, I think we can make use of the restricted
slaves and give it a test run. And to Marco: 
	1. Will this restricted jobs being triggered in every PR runs or it just depends on where
you put it (like I put in nightly it will never 	be trigger in PR)? Will there be a potential
risk like a PR attack (create a PR to grab credentials)

	2. How do we make sure the coding being run there is under control and not be changed by
anyone?

	3. If I want to test this functionality, where is the best place to create the job and make
a test run?

Thanks,
Qing



On 7/27/18, 5:44 PM, "Marco de Abreu" <marco.g.abreu@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote:

    Hi all,
    
    about the credential management: We already have a solution based on
    restricted slaves [1] and AWS secrets manager [2] that is generally
    classified to generate binaries and handle credentials. It was designed
    with continuous deployment in mind, but we haven't tested it in that field
    yet.
    
    To properly assess the requirements, it would be great if we have this
    security critical part outlined for each release pipeline. We could then
    check and see if our existing solution matches all requirements or if
    further work is necessary.
    
    Best regards,
    Marco
    
    [1]
    https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Restricted+jobs+and+nodes
    [2] https://docs.aws.amazon.com/secretsmanager/latest/userguide/intro.html

On 7/27/18, 5:43 PM, "Sheng Zha" <szha.pvg@gmail.com> wrote:

    Thanks, Naveen. Once we have clarity on 3), it should be no problem for
    scala to reuse the same solution. For 1), if this is indeed an issue, it
    seems that we may have rushed a bit on the scala releases. Are there any
    user reports?
    
    -sz
    
    On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Naveen Swamy <mnnaveen@gmail.com> wrote:
    
    > I collaborate with Qing as a part of my day time job, to give you a little
    > more perspective on the proposed work
    >
    > For 1)
    > What we found is that users often run into conflicts when they use a
    > different version of the dependency(CUDA, CUDNN, OpenBLAS, OpenCV, etc,.)
    > and the one we build with MXNet backend and use in the MXNet Scala package.
    > Also it makes its not very straight-forward for users to install these
    > dependencies themselves in order to lower the entry barrier and to make
    > everything work out of the box we are thinking to build MXNet all these
    > dependencies with MXNet (as a static library) and embed them in the MXNet
    > Scala package. This is also inspired by the work you have done for Apache
    > MXNet pip packages, Ideally I would like to reuse some of that work.
    >
    > Maven does not manage the binaries, you still have to build the binary and
    > release them but what dependencies the binaries are built with is what
    > causes the confusion and problems.
    > In the past there were 20+ packages of MXNet and I reduced it to 3 (OSX,
    > Linux-CPU, Linux-GPU -- please see the discussion thread below), with the
    > latest version of the dependencies and we'll build/manage additional
    > packages based on the user demand.
    >
    > Please see the previous discussion about this topic.
    >
    > 1) Scala Maven Package discussion:
    > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c3846515fc5560d826e7b6f47e9b8b
    > 6728a925e6f8decb9676456144@%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E
    > 2) Config for Scala Package:
    > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/0be6beb89cc2a792e7ba861a251f9a
    > 9a0b81fa36a5a0cd59d9f2cb6f@%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E
    > 3) Current Scala Package Release process:
    > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/
    > MXNet-Scala+Release+Process
    >
    >
    > Hope that answers
    >
    >
    > On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Sheng Zha <szha.pvg@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > > Qing,
    > >
    > > For 1, why would it be a blocker, given that there were previous
    > releases?
    > > Has there been compatibility issues for scala packages? If so, why did we
    > > release?
    > > There are many maven packages that include binary already, so if we can
    > > find the binary for all dependency it's probably best to link to them,
    > and
    > > let maven manage these dependencies.
    > >
    > > For 2, since the current CI is based on Jenkins, I imagine it would be
    > some
    > > sort of Jenkins pipeline? Other people who're better versed in Jenkins
    > can
    > > chime in.
    > >
    > > Personally, I'm interested in 3 as well. I have a pipeline for building
    > pip
    > > packages that's currently not utilizing the CI, and the item 3 is the
    > > blocker too. Once you finish, it would be great to refer to the same
    > > solution, so that I can move it into the same CI.
    > >
    > > -sz
    > >
    > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 4:37 PM, Qing Lan <lanking520@live.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > > Hi all,
    > > >
    > > > Recently contributors on Scala Language development worked together and
    > > > finally able to publish Scala package on Maven. Now I would like to
    > > raise a
    > > > discussion to automate Scala release process and also discover a
    > standard
    > > > way to release different packages for MXNet so we won’t ask any
    > > individuals
    > > > to spend a long time to publish the package.
    > > >
    > > > There are three blocks that stop this automated process:
    > > >
    > > >   1.  How to build general hardware-compatible backend dependencies for
    > > > MXNet (Linux CPU/GPU Mac OSX)
    > > >   2.  How to automate the frontend release process and CI integration
    > > >   3.  How to keep credentials for the release in the pipeline
    > > >
    > > > Scala Release process created by Naveen: https://cwiki.apache.org/
    > > > confluence/display/MXNET/MXNet-Scala+Release+Process
    > > >
    > > > Thanks,
    > > > Qing
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >
    

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