From dev-return-3300-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Tue Jun 19 02:46:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 21F7F180663 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 02:46:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 51899 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jun 2018 00:46:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@mxnet.incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 51886 invoked by uid 99); 19 Jun 2018 00:46:01 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd4-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 00:46:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd4-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd4-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 1C405C0102 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 00:46:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd4-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.442 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.442 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.697, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd4-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd4-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i6BCoct3cr6Q for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 00:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-f176.google.com (mail-wr0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 706E95F3CC for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2018 00:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-f176.google.com with SMTP id h10-v6so18641801wrq.8 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 17:45:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ujNiLbBxbH2wDDaLmSQFOxwCb0jbC/xKhkiME+EK5Yc=; b=hb8ntOyW99sK5MklYqCh3Pdapt4NGwzmSZDslQpQN6A8TASXtsh1Tf5/J5gedhBi6O fmLILZE16TWlhPbE8l/hImQYkRwS4Q3qlqSZvfYR8FSo3CXMXp0C4261wu/dhldCyGly ZnPFW7u5V1XbEcCq7y5YtbK6VY/6xN7qtR1gPa0QLAThZEDK8VWTARwl3WZDz32/YO3i 8vNJ08qp/S/qnIkcBR8xbL3hetr7OH40afYuD2q8ZxD1ZLm5p1VeYbFjZzYHmwq2zJbV Tu2ekHpvKPkQ5cZ0t8g0zAmPSCpMuQEx6duDHvG1YINnKd2Y/FVsCiad2yXx0Y4K4sFO YAZw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=ujNiLbBxbH2wDDaLmSQFOxwCb0jbC/xKhkiME+EK5Yc=; b=iK0mubDR9OxVx8NxrXvIPvVTbZWUZWmSKi7cU2D2sHDd6r55FoXtUhsnN9GIZ6x+IV EAnfQ7u9VMQ08iymzI5Mv4EZfvUdJm+CNMR6PLz778WDEOwLEEkz564FxJb0cNR7NUA5 9OE0MfmEQ+C+by7MTrMs5mL14oHPxagkw0W/S8y4syjHcgMuot+REkRLmmeoZia+yM4K cBZxCD4azDOc1QLrXKg7l7bg8vDOjEvRrq68TI8NM7JxFd23FXauSHapU6Oc+M7UZyo+ w7XDrkHfd3A0YgbUXC0UURJaI8wIhkmVe6yNQ+/qH7bg6esFRvHjH584d0Sphg5xuy8B 6x4Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3smGOJYuTnNsIX8yHEknNBLdPN9AUdxAu/V9baNAJCiwT4hlrV OmCwiGsSytYlHoUdlqc3q47IpCkl+1/11jiHQeFy7g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKLtGiWNsiFGUusgpeR8vIrspYkMhJsy4DwW1+EAt6gpNKp9IOlUmfFqfH+isiUff9i0sZh3LM3w6aWAz6+le88= X-Received: by 2002:adf:a319:: with SMTP id c25-v6mr11131567wrb.189.1529369156983; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 17:45:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <67033f51-3a05-a3b8-b210-f7241ff726ed@apache.org> In-Reply-To: From: Thomas DELTEIL Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 17:45:44 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: users@mxnet To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000055201f056ef401fc" --00000000000055201f056ef401fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was actually the one stating that we didn't need a user mailing list during the Seattle meetup, given all the reasons already exposed above. However given what proponents of a mailing list said, I personally wouldn't mind adding a new channel as a user mailing list, and monitoring it. There seems to be a subset of users, used to apache projects, that wouldn't use the forum but would use a mailing list. Though I think it is not as feature-rich as the forum and there is a risk of dilution of information. It is more about reaching those extra users. If we see a dilution of traffic on the forum towards the mailing list (~currently 100 posts/week) then maybe we can reconsider our assumptions? All the best, Thomas Delteil On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 17:30 Pedro Larroy wrote: > I agree with Tianqi, Eric and others. We shouldn't dilute the community > with another forum. Disqus is already working and has healthy > participation, you can get an email digest if you so desire. Subscribing = to > a mailing list to get a question answered is quite a heavyweight investme= nt > for many people and users who might not have the resources nor mental > bandwidth to receive more email volume in their inboxes. > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:19 AM Tianqi Chen > wrote: > > > The problem of having multiple separate channels of communication is th= at > > users get confused, and the cost of maintenance goes up(people have to > > watch both). As the current community was at discuss forum and many use= rs > > prefer it, having a mail-list is only a burden we will bring > > > > Tianqi > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > > > IMO, that is the wrong way to look at it. > > > > > > A users@ mailing list is a great, easy, low-cost and low-overhead way > of > > > *increasing* the user community and providing an extra level of > support. > > > Unless there is "strong evidence" that this is NOT the case, I would > > > recommend we create the list. > > > > > > > On Jun 16, 2018, at 12:28 AM, Tianqi Chen > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > So unless there is a strong evidence that our community users prefe= rs > > the > > > > mail-list, I would recommend we keep the current way > > > > > > > > Tianqi > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Sergio Fern=C3=A1ndez > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Are we targeting just Seattle as our community? I really hope we a= re > > > >> thinking a bit beyond that... > > > >> > > > >> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:22 Tianqi Chen > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> I remember last time during the mxnet meetup in Seattle, we did a > > > survey, > > > >>> and most users preferred the current discuss forum. So I would sa= y > we > > > >> stick > > > >>> with that given the user community prefers that > > > >>> > > > >>> Tianqi > > > >>> > > > >>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Sergio Fern=C3=A1ndez < > wikier@apache.org > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Then, if everybody agree, let's request the mailing list creatio= n > to > > > >>> INFRA > > > >>>> ;-) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Marco, I wouldn't do that. Typically developers are also > subscribed > > > >>> there, > > > >>>> since they may be the most informed people for answering users' > > > >>> questions. > > > >>>> But the topics discussed there may not be of the interest for pu= re > > > >>>> development purposes. Some discussions will jump from users@ to > > dev@, > > > >>> but > > > >>>> at a different level. So I wouldn't forward one mailing list to > the > > > >>> other. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:01 Marco de Abreu > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> I think nobody was opposed to it in the past, right? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I'd propose that all emails automatically get copied to dev@ to > > > >> ensure > > > >>>>> high > > > >>>>> visibility initially. What do you think? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Sebastian schrieb am Fr., 15. Juni 2018, 20:51= : > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> I have already proposed this many times in the past and would > > > >>> strongly > > > >>>>>> encourage it. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> -s > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On 15.06.2018 21:56, Sergio Fern=C3=A1ndez wrote: > > > >>>>>>> Hi, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> is there any good reason why the podling doesn't have a users= @ > > > >>>> mailing > > > >>>>>> list > > > >>>>>>> yet? > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Honestly speaking, I'm not a big fan of the other tools the > > > >> podling > > > >>>> is > > > >>>>>>> using. Slack and Web forums a cool tools, and I used them a l= ot > > > >> in > > > >>>>> other > > > >>>>>>> contexts. But when it comes to transparency and community, > > > >> mailing > > > >>>>> lists > > > >>>>>>> play a crucial role in the Apache Way. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Users are the most important asset a project can have. Even > more > > > >>> than > > > >>>>>>> developers, believe me. So I think it's time to create a user= s@ > > > >>>>> mailing > > > >>>>>>> list for to helping MXNet grow its community beyong the core > > > >> team. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Cheers, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --00000000000055201f056ef401fc--