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From "Barber, Christopher" <Christopher.Bar...@analog.com>
Subject Re: users@mxnet
Date Mon, 18 Jun 2018 17:40:40 GMT
I don't understand why you would want a users mailing list when you already have discussion
forums. Users that want to be notified of new posts on the forum can configure their notification
preferences appropriately. The traffic on the forums is already pretty low. I would think
you would not want to dilute that further.

Christopher 

On 6/18/18, 1:27 PM, "Jim Jagielski" <jim@jaguNET.com> wrote:

    users@ mailing lists have great societal advantages that one shouldn't ignore...
    
    And it's not like this is the only project with "multiple" communication choices for users.
Most, if not all, projects have users@in addition to such supplemental methods as IRC channels,
a forum, etc... It's about making it easy to have as many users as possible and as many potential
ways for users to communicate. It's not confusing; it's empowering :)
    
    > On Jun 18, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Tianqi Chen <tqchen@cs.washington.edu> wrote:
    > 
    > The problem of having multiple separate channels of communication is that
    > users get confused, and the cost of maintenance goes up(people have to
    > watch both). As the current community was at discuss forum and many users
    > prefer it, having a mail-list is only a burden we will bring
    > 
    > Tianqi
    > 
    > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:
    > 
    >> IMO, that is the wrong way to look at it.
    >> 
    >> A users@ mailing list is a great, easy, low-cost and low-overhead way of
    >> *increasing* the user community and providing an extra level of support.
    >> Unless there is "strong evidence" that this is NOT the case, I would
    >> recommend we create the list.
    >> 
    >>> On Jun 16, 2018, at 12:28 AM, Tianqi Chen <tqchen@cs.washington.edu>
    >> wrote:
    >>> 
    >>> So unless there is a strong evidence that our community users prefers the
    >>> mail-list, I would recommend we keep the current way
    >>> 
    >>> Tianqi
    >>> 
    >>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Sergio Fernández <wikier@apache.org>
    >> wrote:
    >>> 
    >>>> Are we targeting just Seattle as our community? I really hope we are
    >>>> thinking a bit beyond that...
    >>>> 
    >>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:22 Tianqi Chen <tqchen@cs.washington.edu>
    >> wrote:
    >>>> 
    >>>>> I remember last time during the mxnet meetup in Seattle, we did a
    >> survey,
    >>>>> and most users preferred the current discuss forum. So I would say
we
    >>>> stick
    >>>>> with that given the user community prefers that
    >>>>> 
    >>>>> Tianqi
    >>>>> 
    >>>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Sergio Fernández <wikier@apache.org>
    >>>>> wrote:
    >>>>> 
    >>>>>> Then, if everybody agree, let's request the mailing list creation
to
    >>>>> INFRA
    >>>>>> ;-)
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>>> Marco, I wouldn't do that. Typically developers are also subscribed
    >>>>> there,
    >>>>>> since they may be the most informed people for answering users'
    >>>>> questions.
    >>>>>> But the topics discussed there may not be of the interest for
pure
    >>>>>> development purposes. Some discussions will jump from users@
to dev@,
    >>>>> but
    >>>>>> at a different level. So I wouldn't forward one mailing list
to the
    >>>>> other.
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:01 Marco de Abreu
    >>>>>> <marco.g.abreu@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> I think nobody was opposed to it in the past, right?
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> I'd propose that all emails automatically get copied to dev@
to
    >>>> ensure
    >>>>>>> high
    >>>>>>> visibility initially. What do you think?
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> Sebastian <ssc@apache.org> schrieb am Fr., 15. Juni
2018, 20:51:
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>>> I have already proposed this many times in the past and
would
    >>>>> strongly
    >>>>>>>> encourage it.
    >>>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>>> -s
    >>>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>>> On 15.06.2018 21:56, Sergio Fernández wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> Hi,
    >>>>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>>>> is there any good reason why the podling doesn't
have a users@
    >>>>>> mailing
    >>>>>>>> list
    >>>>>>>>> yet?
    >>>>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>>>> Honestly speaking, I'm not a big fan of the other
tools the
    >>>> podling
    >>>>>> is
    >>>>>>>>> using. Slack and Web forums a cool tools, and I used
them a lot
    >>>> in
    >>>>>>> other
    >>>>>>>>> contexts. But when it comes to transparency and community,
    >>>> mailing
    >>>>>>> lists
    >>>>>>>>> play a crucial role in the Apache Way.
    >>>>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>>>> Users are the most important asset a project can
have. Even more
    >>>>> than
    >>>>>>>>> developers, believe me. So I think it's time to create
a users@
    >>>>>>> mailing
    >>>>>>>>> list for to helping MXNet grow its community beyong
the core
    >>>> team.
    >>>>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
    >>>>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>> 
    >>>> 
    >> 
    >> 
    
    
    

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