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From Ivan Serdyuk <local.tourist.k...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: users@mxnet
Date Mon, 18 Jun 2018 18:57:37 GMT
Well, there is a trend to for speaking about MXNet (Ukraine). At least I
have visited a meetup (with a workshop).

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:42 PM, Sebastian <ssc@apache.org> wrote:

> I am puzzled by the reluctance of this project to setup a user mailinglist
> to be honest.
>
> MXNet has major issues with attracting a community outside of Amazon
> (whenever I hear folks talking about deep learning, they usually mention
> tensorflow, pytorch and keras, but I rarely hear someone talk about MXNet).
> At the same time, there is so much resistance to adopt practices that are
> successfully used by many high-profile toplevel projects...
>
> -s
>
>
> On 18.06.2018 20:37, Timur Shenkao wrote:
>
>> Facebook is definitely a bad idea: we will be dependent on third party
>> provider + unclear who & how manages such group etc.
>> Forum + Confluence + Slack is  much better then.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:17 PM, Ivan Serdyuk <
>> local.tourist.kiev@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings Barber, Christopher. I had an idea to move out some discussions,
>>> covering Java and Scala API, to Facebook. So if somewhere exists a local
>>> JUG or Scala user group - they could reflect the topic of discussion. But
>>> background stuff could take place on mailing lists, Slack, forum,
>>> whatever.
>>> The reverse mechanism could be used to involve new committers, as well
>>> (so
>>> they would appear as presented newcomers, as for contributions).
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Ivan
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Barber, Christopher <
>>> Christopher.Barber@analog.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't understand why you would want a users mailing list when you
>>>> already have discussion forums. Users that want to be notified of new
>>>>
>>> posts
>>>
>>>> on the forum can configure their notification preferences appropriately.
>>>> The traffic on the forums is already pretty low. I would think you would
>>>> not want to dilute that further.
>>>>
>>>> Christopher
>>>>
>>>> On 6/18/18, 1:27 PM, "Jim Jagielski" <jim@jaguNET.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      users@ mailing lists have great societal advantages that one
>>>> shouldn't ignore...
>>>>
>>>>      And it's not like this is the only project with "multiple"
>>>> communication choices for users. Most, if not all, projects have
>>>> users@in
>>>> addition to such supplemental methods as IRC channels, a forum, etc...
>>>>
>>> It's
>>>
>>>> about making it easy to have as many users as possible and as many
>>>> potential ways for users to communicate. It's not confusing; it's
>>>> empowering :)
>>>>
>>>>      > On Jun 18, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Tianqi Chen <
>>>> tqchen@cs.washington.edu
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>      >
>>>>      > The problem of having multiple separate channels of communication
>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>> that
>>>>      > users get confused, and the cost of maintenance goes up(people
>>>> have
>>>> to
>>>>      > watch both). As the current community was at discuss forum and
>>>> many
>>>> users
>>>>      > prefer it, having a mail-list is only a burden we will bring
>>>>      >
>>>>      > Tianqi
>>>>      >
>>>>      > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>      >
>>>>      >> IMO, that is the wrong way to look at it.
>>>>      >>
>>>>      >> A users@ mailing list is a great, easy, low-cost and
>>>> low-overhead
>>>> way of
>>>>      >> *increasing* the user community and providing an extra level
of
>>>> support.
>>>>      >> Unless there is "strong evidence" that this is NOT the case,
I
>>>>
>>> would
>>>
>>>>      >> recommend we create the list.
>>>>      >>
>>>>      >>> On Jun 16, 2018, at 12:28 AM, Tianqi Chen <
>>>> tqchen@cs.washington.edu>
>>>>      >> wrote:
>>>>      >>>
>>>>      >>> So unless there is a strong evidence that our community
users
>>>> prefers the
>>>>      >>> mail-list, I would recommend we keep the current way
>>>>      >>>
>>>>      >>> Tianqi
>>>>      >>>
>>>>      >>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Sergio Fernández <
>>>> wikier@apache.org>
>>>>      >> wrote:
>>>>      >>>
>>>>      >>>> Are we targeting just Seattle as our community? I really
hope
>>>> we
>>>> are
>>>>      >>>> thinking a bit beyond that...
>>>>      >>>>
>>>>      >>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:22 Tianqi Chen <
>>>>
>>> tqchen@cs.washington.edu
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>      >> wrote:
>>>>      >>>>
>>>>      >>>>> I remember last time during the mxnet meetup in
Seattle, we
>>>>
>>> did a
>>>
>>>>      >> survey,
>>>>      >>>>> and most users preferred the current discuss forum.
So I
>>>> would
>>>> say we
>>>>      >>>> stick
>>>>      >>>>> with that given the user community prefers that
>>>>      >>>>>
>>>>      >>>>> Tianqi
>>>>      >>>>>
>>>>      >>>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Sergio Fernández
<
>>>> wikier@apache.org>
>>>>      >>>>> wrote:
>>>>      >>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>> Then, if everybody agree, let's request the
mailing list
>>>> creation to
>>>>      >>>>> INFRA
>>>>      >>>>>> ;-)
>>>>      >>>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>> Marco, I wouldn't do that. Typically developers
are also
>>>> subscribed
>>>>      >>>>> there,
>>>>      >>>>>> since they may be the most informed people
for answering
>>>>
>>> users'
>>>
>>>>      >>>>> questions.
>>>>      >>>>>> But the topics discussed there may not be of
the interest
>>>> for
>>>> pure
>>>>      >>>>>> development purposes. Some discussions will
jump from users@
>>>> to dev@,
>>>>      >>>>> but
>>>>      >>>>>> at a different level. So I wouldn't forward
one mailing list
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> the
>>>>      >>>>> other.
>>>>      >>>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:01 Marco de Abreu
>>>>      >>>>>> <marco.g.abreu@googlemail.com.invalid>
wrote:
>>>>      >>>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>>> I think nobody was opposed to it in the
past, right?
>>>>      >>>>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>>> I'd propose that all emails automatically
get copied to
>>>> dev@
>>>> to
>>>>      >>>> ensure
>>>>      >>>>>>> high
>>>>      >>>>>>> visibility initially. What do you think?
>>>>      >>>>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>>> Sebastian <ssc@apache.org> schrieb
am Fr., 15. Juni 2018,
>>>> 20:51:
>>>>      >>>>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>>>> I have already proposed this many times
in the past and
>>>>
>>> would
>>>
>>>>      >>>>> strongly
>>>>      >>>>>>>> encourage it.
>>>>      >>>>>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>>>> -s
>>>>      >>>>>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>>>> On 15.06.2018 21:56, Sergio Fernández
wrote:
>>>>      >>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>      >>>>>>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>>>>> is there any good reason why the
podling doesn't have a
>>>> users@
>>>>      >>>>>> mailing
>>>>      >>>>>>>> list
>>>>      >>>>>>>>> yet?
>>>>      >>>>>>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>>>>> Honestly speaking, I'm not a big
fan of the other tools
>>>> the
>>>>      >>>> podling
>>>>      >>>>>> is
>>>>      >>>>>>>>> using. Slack and Web forums a cool
tools, and I used
>>>> them a
>>>> lot
>>>>      >>>> in
>>>>      >>>>>>> other
>>>>      >>>>>>>>> contexts. But when it comes to
transparency and
>>>> community,
>>>>      >>>> mailing
>>>>      >>>>>>> lists
>>>>      >>>>>>>>> play a crucial role in the Apache
Way.
>>>>      >>>>>>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>>>>> Users are the most important asset
a project can have.
>>>> Even
>>>> more
>>>>      >>>>> than
>>>>      >>>>>>>>> developers, believe me. So I think
it's time to create a
>>>> users@
>>>>      >>>>>>> mailing
>>>>      >>>>>>>>> list for to helping MXNet grow
its community beyong the
>>>>
>>> core
>>>
>>>>      >>>> team.
>>>>      >>>>>>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>      >>>>>>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>>
>>>>      >>>>>
>>>>      >>>>
>>>>      >>
>>>>      >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

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