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From Timur Shenkao <...@timshenkao.su>
Subject Re: users@mxnet
Date Mon, 18 Jun 2018 18:37:08 GMT
Facebook is definitely a bad idea: we will be dependent on third party
provider + unclear who & how manages such group etc.
Forum + Confluence + Slack is  much better then.

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:17 PM, Ivan Serdyuk <local.tourist.kiev@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Greetings Barber, Christopher. I had an idea to move out some discussions,
> covering Java and Scala API, to Facebook. So if somewhere exists a local
> JUG or Scala user group - they could reflect the topic of discussion. But
> background stuff could take place on mailing lists, Slack, forum, whatever.
> The reverse mechanism could be used to involve new committers, as well (so
> they would appear as presented newcomers, as for contributions).
>
> Regards
> Ivan
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Barber, Christopher <
> Christopher.Barber@analog.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't understand why you would want a users mailing list when you
> > already have discussion forums. Users that want to be notified of new
> posts
> > on the forum can configure their notification preferences appropriately.
> > The traffic on the forums is already pretty low. I would think you would
> > not want to dilute that further.
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> > On 6/18/18, 1:27 PM, "Jim Jagielski" <jim@jaguNET.com> wrote:
> >
> >     users@ mailing lists have great societal advantages that one
> > shouldn't ignore...
> >
> >     And it's not like this is the only project with "multiple"
> > communication choices for users. Most, if not all, projects have users@in
> > addition to such supplemental methods as IRC channels, a forum, etc...
> It's
> > about making it easy to have as many users as possible and as many
> > potential ways for users to communicate. It's not confusing; it's
> > empowering :)
> >
> >     > On Jun 18, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Tianqi Chen <tqchen@cs.washington.edu
> >
> > wrote:
> >     >
> >     > The problem of having multiple separate channels of communication
> is
> > that
> >     > users get confused, and the cost of maintenance goes up(people have
> > to
> >     > watch both). As the current community was at discuss forum and many
> > users
> >     > prefer it, having a mail-list is only a burden we will bring
> >     >
> >     > Tianqi
> >     >
> >     > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com>
> > wrote:
> >     >
> >     >> IMO, that is the wrong way to look at it.
> >     >>
> >     >> A users@ mailing list is a great, easy, low-cost and low-overhead
> > way of
> >     >> *increasing* the user community and providing an extra level of
> > support.
> >     >> Unless there is "strong evidence" that this is NOT the case, I
> would
> >     >> recommend we create the list.
> >     >>
> >     >>> On Jun 16, 2018, at 12:28 AM, Tianqi Chen <
> > tqchen@cs.washington.edu>
> >     >> wrote:
> >     >>>
> >     >>> So unless there is a strong evidence that our community users
> > prefers the
> >     >>> mail-list, I would recommend we keep the current way
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Tianqi
> >     >>>
> >     >>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Sergio Fernández <
> > wikier@apache.org>
> >     >> wrote:
> >     >>>
> >     >>>> Are we targeting just Seattle as our community? I really hope
we
> > are
> >     >>>> thinking a bit beyond that...
> >     >>>>
> >     >>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:22 Tianqi Chen <
> tqchen@cs.washington.edu
> > >
> >     >> wrote:
> >     >>>>
> >     >>>>> I remember last time during the mxnet meetup in Seattle,
we
> did a
> >     >> survey,
> >     >>>>> and most users preferred the current discuss forum. So
I would
> > say we
> >     >>>> stick
> >     >>>>> with that given the user community prefers that
> >     >>>>>
> >     >>>>> Tianqi
> >     >>>>>
> >     >>>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Sergio Fernández <
> > wikier@apache.org>
> >     >>>>> wrote:
> >     >>>>>
> >     >>>>>> Then, if everybody agree, let's request the mailing
list
> > creation to
> >     >>>>> INFRA
> >     >>>>>> ;-)
> >     >>>>>>
> >     >>>>>> Marco, I wouldn't do that. Typically developers are
also
> > subscribed
> >     >>>>> there,
> >     >>>>>> since they may be the most informed people for answering
> users'
> >     >>>>> questions.
> >     >>>>>> But the topics discussed there may not be of the interest
for
> > pure
> >     >>>>>> development purposes. Some discussions will jump from
users@
> > to dev@,
> >     >>>>> but
> >     >>>>>> at a different level. So I wouldn't forward one mailing
list
> to
> > the
> >     >>>>> other.
> >     >>>>>>
> >     >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:01 Marco de Abreu
> >     >>>>>> <marco.g.abreu@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >     >>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>> I think nobody was opposed to it in the past, right?
> >     >>>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>> I'd propose that all emails automatically get copied
to dev@
> > to
> >     >>>> ensure
> >     >>>>>>> high
> >     >>>>>>> visibility initially. What do you think?
> >     >>>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>> Sebastian <ssc@apache.org> schrieb am Fr.,
15. Juni 2018,
> > 20:51:
> >     >>>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>>> I have already proposed this many times in
the past and
> would
> >     >>>>> strongly
> >     >>>>>>>> encourage it.
> >     >>>>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>>> -s
> >     >>>>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>>> On 15.06.2018 21:56, Sergio Fernández wrote:
> >     >>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >     >>>>>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>>>> is there any good reason why the podling
doesn't have a
> > users@
> >     >>>>>> mailing
> >     >>>>>>>> list
> >     >>>>>>>>> yet?
> >     >>>>>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>>>> Honestly speaking, I'm not a big fan of
the other tools the
> >     >>>> podling
> >     >>>>>> is
> >     >>>>>>>>> using. Slack and Web forums a cool tools,
and I used them a
> > lot
> >     >>>> in
> >     >>>>>>> other
> >     >>>>>>>>> contexts. But when it comes to transparency
and community,
> >     >>>> mailing
> >     >>>>>>> lists
> >     >>>>>>>>> play a crucial role in the Apache Way.
> >     >>>>>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>>>> Users are the most important asset a project
can have. Even
> > more
> >     >>>>> than
> >     >>>>>>>>> developers, believe me. So I think it's
time to create a
> > users@
> >     >>>>>>> mailing
> >     >>>>>>>>> list for to helping MXNet grow its community
beyong the
> core
> >     >>>> team.
> >     >>>>>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >     >>>>>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>>
> >     >>>>>>
> >     >>>>>
> >     >>>>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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