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From Hagay Lupesko <lupe...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: users@mxnet
Date Tue, 19 Jun 2018 15:09:55 GMT
Jim,

Earlier on the thread you suggested to clarify and expand on the usage of a
user@ mailing list and how it is useful for a project.

It may be helpful for the community to learn a bit more about it. Could you
expand and/or share relevant links and examples?

Thank you,
Hagay

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 07:31 Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:

> Just so we are clear: building and fostering a community takes effort.
> Either it is something important to the project, or it's not.
>
> My assumption is that It Is.
>
> > On Jun 18, 2018, at 8:59 PM, YiZhi Liu <eazhi.liu@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am personally not a big fan of mailing list but agree with Thomas
> > that we may get extra users, which worth a try.
> > On the other hand, I also have concern that we do not have a community
> > big enough to support multiple forums. If people asked questions but
> > got no response, that can be worse than not having the mailing list at
> > all.
> > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 5:46 PM Thomas DELTEIL
> > <thomas.delteil1@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I was actually the one stating that we didn't need a user mailing list
> >> during the Seattle meetup, given all the reasons already exposed above.
> >>
> >> However given what proponents of a mailing list said, I personally
> wouldn't
> >> mind adding a new channel as a user mailing list, and monitoring it.
> There
> >> seems to be a subset of users, used to apache projects, that wouldn't
> use
> >> the forum but would use a mailing list. Though I think it is not as
> >> feature-rich as the forum and there is a risk of dilution of
> information.
> >> It is more about reaching those extra users. If we see a dilution of
> >> traffic on the forum towards the mailing list (~currently 100
> posts/week)
> >> then maybe we can reconsider our assumptions?
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >> Thomas Delteil
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 17:30 Pedro Larroy <pedro.larroy.lists@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I agree with Tianqi, Eric and others. We shouldn't dilute the community
> >>> with another forum. Disqus is already working and has healthy
> >>> participation, you can get an email digest if you so desire.
> Subscribing to
> >>> a mailing list to get a question answered is quite a heavyweight
> investment
> >>> for many people and users who might not have the resources nor mental
> >>> bandwidth to receive more email volume in their inboxes.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:19 AM Tianqi Chen <tqchen@cs.washington.edu
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The problem of having multiple separate channels of communication is
> that
> >>>> users get confused, and the cost of maintenance goes up(people have
to
> >>>> watch both). As the current community was at discuss forum and many
> users
> >>>> prefer it, having a mail-list is only a burden we will bring
> >>>>
> >>>> Tianqi
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> IMO, that is the wrong way to look at it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A users@ mailing list is a great, easy, low-cost and low-overhead
> way
> >>> of
> >>>>> *increasing* the user community and providing an extra level of
> >>> support.
> >>>>> Unless there is "strong evidence" that this is NOT the case, I would
> >>>>> recommend we create the list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jun 16, 2018, at 12:28 AM, Tianqi Chen <tqchen@cs.washington.edu
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So unless there is a strong evidence that our community users
> prefers
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> mail-list, I would recommend we keep the current way
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tianqi
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Sergio Fernández <
> wikier@apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Are we targeting just Seattle as our community? I really
hope we
> are
> >>>>>>> thinking a bit beyond that...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:22 Tianqi Chen <tqchen@cs.washington.edu>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I remember last time during the mxnet meetup in Seattle,
we did a
> >>>>> survey,
> >>>>>>>> and most users preferred the current discuss forum.
So I would say
> >>> we
> >>>>>>> stick
> >>>>>>>> with that given the user community prefers that
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tianqi
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Sergio Fernández <
> >>> wikier@apache.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Then, if everybody agree, let's request the mailing
list creation
> >>> to
> >>>>>>>> INFRA
> >>>>>>>>> ;-)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Marco, I wouldn't do that. Typically developers
are also
> >>> subscribed
> >>>>>>>> there,
> >>>>>>>>> since they may be the most informed people for answering
users'
> >>>>>>>> questions.
> >>>>>>>>> But the topics discussed there may not be of the
interest for
> pure
> >>>>>>>>> development purposes. Some discussions will jump
from users@ to
> >>>> dev@,
> >>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>> at a different level. So I wouldn't forward one
mailing list to
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>> other.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:01 Marco de Abreu
> >>>>>>>>> <marco.g.abreu@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I think nobody was opposed to it in the past,
right?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'd propose that all emails automatically get
copied to dev@ to
> >>>>>>> ensure
> >>>>>>>>>> high
> >>>>>>>>>> visibility initially. What do you think?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sebastian <ssc@apache.org> schrieb am
Fr., 15. Juni 2018,
> 20:51:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I have already proposed this many times
in the past and would
> >>>>>>>> strongly
> >>>>>>>>>>> encourage it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -s
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 15.06.2018 21:56, Sergio Fernández wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is there any good reason why the podling
doesn't have a users@
> >>>>>>>>> mailing
> >>>>>>>>>>> list
> >>>>>>>>>>>> yet?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly speaking, I'm not a big fan
of the other tools the
> >>>>>>> podling
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> using. Slack and Web forums a cool tools,
and I used them a
> lot
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>>>>> contexts. But when it comes to transparency
and community,
> >>>>>>> mailing
> >>>>>>>>>> lists
> >>>>>>>>>>>> play a crucial role in the Apache Way.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Users are the most important asset a
project can have. Even
> >>> more
> >>>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>>>>>>> developers, believe me. So I think it's
time to create a
> users@
> >>>>>>>>>> mailing
> >>>>>>>>>>>> list for to helping MXNet grow its community
beyong the core
> >>>>>>> team.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Yizhi Liu
> > DMLC member
> > Amazon Web Services
> > Vancouver, Canada
>
>

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