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From Hagay Lupesko <lupe...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: users@mxnet
Date Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:23:57 GMT
Agree with Indu's points: email list usability and features seems inferior
compared to the discussion forum, so I would suggest to keep things simple
and stick with the forum.

Hagay

On Sat, Jun 16, 2018, 06:37 Timur Shenkao <tsh@timshenkao.su> wrote:

> user mail list
>
> Pros:
> - Apache user mail list is indexed and kept forever in mailing lists. Very
> convenient.
> - Apache user mail list is indexed by search engines actively and info
> appears in search results pretty soon.
> - You just get e-mails and when you have spare time read & answer them.
>
> Cons:
> - Unless there are active people, user mail list may become "cemetery" of
> unanswered questions
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Marco de Abreu <
> marco.g.abreu@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Very good points Indu. I also think that the discussion forum is
> definitely
> > of big value and that we should keep it. But I also don't think it would
> > hurt anybody is we open up a new channel of communication, considering
> that
> > managing an email list doesn't cause any additional overhead.
> >
> > Indhu <indhubharathi@gmail.com> schrieb am Sa., 16. Juni 2018, 00:37:
> >
> > > I prefer the discuss forum over email for following reasons:
> > >
> > > 1. It is easier for newcomers. People can login using Facebook, Twitter
> > or
> > > GitHub Id
> > >
> > > 2. The format is much more readable for people who search for something
> > in
> > > a search engine and land on the page.
> > >
> > > 3. Markdown support makes it easier to read code in the discussion.
> > >
> > > 4. Like button and marking a reply as answer signals the usefulness of
> an
> > > answer.
> > >
> > > That said, if a reasonable number of people like email lists better,
> I'm
> > > not against it as far as it can co-exist along with the discuss forum.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Indu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 11:23 PM Sergio Fernández <wikier@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks for your opinion, Tianqi. I still would love to listen others'
> > > > opinion on the topic to really assert anything.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:41 Tianqi Chen <tqchen@cs.washington.edu>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Then who should represent the users who are using the forums but
> not
> > > the
> > > > > mail-list? I personally think it is a bit abuse use of the term
> > "Apache
> > > > > way" to force our mind into the entire community... Maybe I am
> > wrong..
> > > > >
> > > > > Tianqi
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Sergio Fernández <
> wikier@apache.org
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well, I do respect what you discussed in that meetup, if course.
> > But
> > > > for
> > > > > > those who weren't there, maybe the decision taken what a bit
> bias.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In Apache we like to say that "if it didn't happen on the mailing
> > > list
> > > > s,
> > > > > > it didn't happen" ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Look like there are different feelings about this. Should I
cast
> a
> > > > VOTE?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:27 Tianqi Chen <
> tqchen@cs.washington.edu>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do think we are targeting all the community, but we must
also
> > > agree
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > the voice of users from the meetup is a representative
sample
> of
> > > > users'
> > > > > > > demand, and it is important that we respect that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tianqi
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Sergio Fernández <
> > > wikier@apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Are we targeting just Seattle as our community? I
really hope
> > we
> > > > are
> > > > > > > > thinking a bit beyond that...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:22 Tianqi Chen <
> > > tqchen@cs.washington.edu>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I remember last time during the mxnet meetup
in Seattle, we
> > > did a
> > > > > > > survey,
> > > > > > > > > and most users preferred the current discuss
forum. So I
> > would
> > > > say
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > > stick
> > > > > > > > > with that given the user community prefers that
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tianqi
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Sergio Fernández
<
> > > > > wikier@apache.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Then, if everybody agree, let's request
the mailing list
> > > > creation
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > INFRA
> > > > > > > > > > ;-)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Marco, I wouldn't do that. Typically developers
are also
> > > > > subscribed
> > > > > > > > > there,
> > > > > > > > > > since they may be the most informed people
for answering
> > > users'
> > > > > > > > > questions.
> > > > > > > > > > But the topics discussed there may not be
of the interest
> > for
> > > > > pure
> > > > > > > > > > development purposes. Some discussions will
jump from
> > users@
> > > > to
> > > > > > dev@
> > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > at a different level. So I wouldn't forward
one mailing
> > list
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > other.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:01 Marco de Abreu
> > > > > > > > > > <marco.g.abreu@googlemail.com.invalid>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I think nobody was opposed to it in
the past, right?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'd propose that all emails automatically
get copied to
> > > dev@
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > ensure
> > > > > > > > > > > high
> > > > > > > > > > > visibility initially. What do you think?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sebastian <ssc@apache.org> schrieb
am Fr., 15. Juni
> > 2018,
> > > > > 20:51:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have already proposed this many
times in the past
> and
> > > > would
> > > > > > > > > strongly
> > > > > > > > > > > > encourage it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -s
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 15.06.2018 21:56, Sergio Fernández
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is there any good reason
why the podling doesn't
> > have a
> > > > > > users@
> > > > > > > > > > mailing
> > > > > > > > > > > > list
> > > > > > > > > > > > > yet?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Honestly speaking, I'm not
a big fan of the other
> > tools
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > podling
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > using. Slack and Web forums
a cool tools, and I
> used
> > > > them a
> > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > contexts. But when it comes
to transparency and
> > > > community,
> > > > > > > > mailing
> > > > > > > > > > > lists
> > > > > > > > > > > > > play a crucial role in the
Apache Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Users are the most important
asset a project can
> > have.
> > > > Even
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > > > > > developers, believe me. So
I think it's time to
> > create
> > > a
> > > > > > users@
> > > > > > > > > > > mailing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > list for to helping MXNet
grow its community beyong
> > the
> > > > > core
> > > > > > > > team.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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