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From Tianqi Chen <tqc...@cs.washington.edu>
Subject Re: users@mxnet
Date Sat, 16 Jun 2018 04:43:18 GMT
I don't want to argue here, as "Apache way" also says VOTE should not be a
way to enforce our opinion, and consensus need to be reached through
discussion

Thanks!

Tianqi

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:41 PM, Tianqi Chen <tqchen@cs.washington.edu>
wrote:

> Then who should represent the users who are using the forums but not the
> mail-list? I personally think it is a bit abuse use of the term "Apache
> way" to force our mind into the entire community... Maybe I am wrong..
>
> Tianqi
>
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Sergio Fernández <wikier@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I do respect what you discussed in that meetup, if course. But for
>> those who weren't there, maybe the decision taken what a bit bias.
>>
>> In Apache we like to say that "if it didn't happen on the mailing list s,
>> it didn't happen" ;-)
>>
>> Look like there are different feelings about this. Should I cast a VOTE?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:27 Tianqi Chen <tqchen@cs.washington.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > I do think we are targeting all the community, but we must also agree
>> that
>> > the voice of users from the meetup is a representative sample of users'
>> > demand, and it is important that we respect that.
>> >
>> > Tianqi
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Sergio Fernández <wikier@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Are we targeting just Seattle as our community? I really hope we are
>> > > thinking a bit beyond that...
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:22 Tianqi Chen <tqchen@cs.washington.edu>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I remember last time during the mxnet meetup in Seattle, we did a
>> > survey,
>> > > > and most users preferred the current discuss forum. So I would say
>> we
>> > > stick
>> > > > with that given the user community prefers that
>> > > >
>> > > > Tianqi
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Sergio Fernández <
>> wikier@apache.org>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Then, if everybody agree, let's request the mailing list creation
>> to
>> > > > INFRA
>> > > > > ;-)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Marco, I wouldn't do that. Typically developers are also
>> subscribed
>> > > > there,
>> > > > > since they may be the most informed people for answering users'
>> > > > questions.
>> > > > > But the topics discussed there may not be of the interest for
pure
>> > > > > development purposes. Some discussions will jump from users@
to
>> dev@
>> > ,
>> > > > but
>> > > > > at a different level. So I wouldn't forward one mailing list
to
>> the
>> > > > other.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:01 Marco de Abreu
>> > > > > <marco.g.abreu@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > I think nobody was opposed to it in the past, right?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I'd propose that all emails automatically get copied to
dev@ to
>> > > ensure
>> > > > > > high
>> > > > > > visibility initially. What do you think?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Sebastian <ssc@apache.org> schrieb am Fr., 15. Juni
2018,
>> 20:51:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I have already proposed this many times in the past
and would
>> > > > strongly
>> > > > > > > encourage it.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > -s
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On 15.06.2018 21:56, Sergio Fernández wrote:
>> > > > > > > > Hi,
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > is there any good reason why the podling doesn't
have a
>> users@
>> > > > > mailing
>> > > > > > > list
>> > > > > > > > yet?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Honestly speaking, I'm not a big fan of the other
tools the
>> > > podling
>> > > > > is
>> > > > > > > > using. Slack and Web forums a cool tools, and
I used them a
>> lot
>> > > in
>> > > > > > other
>> > > > > > > > contexts. But when it comes to transparency and
community,
>> > > mailing
>> > > > > > lists
>> > > > > > > > play a crucial role in the Apache Way.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Users are the most important asset a project can
have. Even
>> > more
>> > > > than
>> > > > > > > > developers, believe me. So I think it's time to
create a
>> users@
>> > > > > > mailing
>> > > > > > > > list for to helping MXNet grow its community beyong
the core
>> > > team.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>

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