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From Hen <bay...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Podling Report Reminder - April 2018
Date Wed, 11 Apr 2018 03:59:47 GMT
That should have said non-committer :) I want to see the next report
written by a committer (whether that means someone else, or the project
recognizing report writing as a contribution).

One other, major imo, note on the board report.

This text is not good:

"a) Various Slack channels, dev@ mailing lists, and user discussion forums (
http://discuss.mxnet.io) are being used actively. The contributors have
been working on having all discussions on the public dev@ mailing list as
much as possible. This is an ongoing improvement process where the focus
will be to reduce the scope of private discussions to only a few
individuals before it is put on the public dev@ mailing list so that the
Apache MXNet community gets a fair chance in influencing the final
outcome/decision of the discussion."

The text is talking about raising the transparency of the project, but that
transparency is, even when raised, still below Apache's _minimum_ bar.
Saying that the community gets a 'fair' chance is insulting.

I'm a strong believer that it is perfectly fine for two or more committers
to brainstorm an idea face to face; but there's an immediate tension if
that leads to a situation where they strong arm agreement due to the number
of folk involved. There needs to be a cost to the lack of transparency, and
that cost is a lack of volume in the community discussion. My strong
recommendation is that said committers decide on a spokesperson for the
idea, that they show restraint in piling on in the debate, and that they
recuse themselves from voting +1 on a vote as they already voted when
brainstorming the idea.

Hen

[piling on => an email thread where multiple people all jump on to the
thread to say, in essence, the same thing, and wear down an opposing
argument through sheer numbers]






On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Hen <bayard@apache.org> wrote:

> Will review to tonight.
>
> Noting that I’m going to -1 any report in the future that is written by a
> non-committee.
>
> Hen
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 11:28 AM Steffen Rochel <steffenrochel@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear mentors - I posted the MXNet podling report at
>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2018#preview .
>> Appreciate your signoff or feedback.
>> Steffen
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 4:28 AM John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Steffen
>> >
>> > Please follow the instructions at https://wiki.apache.org/incubator to
>> > get your account setup (info box at the top).
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> > On 2018/04/09 00:57:37, Steffen Rochel <steffenrochel@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Hi John - thanks for your feedback, will update the website
>> accordingly.
>> > >
>> > > Mentors - I don't have write access to incubator wiki, please post the
>> > > report.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Stefffen
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 5:43 PM John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > You need to get this report posted on the incubator wiki.
>> > > >
>> > > > Some questions about the report.
>> > > >
>> > > > You mention that 1.1.0 is available, however I cannot find a
>> download
>> > page
>> > > > on the mxnet website.  You must have a download page that points to
>> > your
>> > > > source release.
>> > > > Your downloads must point to our mirror system, not gihtub managed
>> > links.
>> > > > You also need to fix your website branding, the first mention
>> should be
>> > > > Apache MXNet (Incubating)
>> > > >
>> > > > On 2018/04/08 23:01:28, Steffen Rochel <steffenrochel@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > > > Dear Mentors - attached updated version:
>> > > > > - fixed typo
>> > > > > - added information about MXNet youtube channel
>> > > > > - added PPMC election for Jun Wu
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Steffen
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 12:44 PM Steffen Rochel <
>> > steffenrochel@gmail.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Dear Mentors - please find attached podling report for April
>> 2018.
>> > > > > > Please approve or provide feedback.
>> > > > > > Apologize for the delay.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Steffen
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 7:23 AM John D. Ament <
>> > johndament@apache.org>
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> Just to point out - the report was due on 4/4.  You'll
need to
>> > get the
>> > > > > >> report in very early to ensure your mentors can review.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> On 2018/04/08 01:45:46, Steffen Rochel <
>> steffenrochel@gmail.com>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >> > Hi John - we will get a report out tomorrow (Sunday
PDT).
>> > > > > >> > Steffen
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 5:19 PM John D. Ament <
>> > johndament@apache.org
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >> wrote:
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > > Is anyone available to write the report? 
Need some kind of
>> > > > response
>> > > > > >> from
>> > > > > >> > > the podling...
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > > On 2018/04/03 02:43:12, Hen <bayard@apache.org>
wrote:
>> > > > > >> > > > Board report time. Any committer available
to write
>> > something?
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > Reminder of the template:
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > MXNetA Flexible and Efficient Library
for Deep
>> > LearningMXNet has
>> > > > > >> been
>> > > > > >> > > > incubating since 2017-01-23.Three most
important issues
>> to
>> > > > address
>> > > > > >> in
>> > > > > >> > > > the move towards graduation:  1.  2.
 3.Any issues that
>> the
>> > > > > >> Incubator
>> > > > > >> > > > PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to
beaware of?How has
>> the
>> > > > > >> community
>> > > > > >> > > > developed since the last report?How has
the project
>> > developed
>> > > > since
>> > > > > >> > > > the last report?How would you assess
the podling's
>> > > > maturity?Please
>> > > > > >> > > > feel free to add your own commentary.
 [ ] Initial
>> setup  [
>> > ]
>> > > > > >> Working
>> > > > > >> > > > towards first release  [ ] Community
building  [ ]
>> Nearing
>> > > > > >> graduation
>> > > > > >> > > > [ ] Other:Date of last release:  XXXX-XX-XXWhen
were the
>> > last
>> > > > > >> > > > committers or PPMC members elected?
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > ----
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > Previous board report is in here:
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >>
>> > > >
>> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/
>> 2018/board_minutes_2018_01_17.txt
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > Hen
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 3:50 PM, <johndament@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > This should be appended to the Incubator
Wiki page at:
>> > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2018
>> > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>

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