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From xinfan meng <mxf3...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: MXNet Name Change?
Date Thu, 12 Apr 2018 10:35:37 GMT
How about a Capricorn: mixed, cool and easily recognized.
On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 at 11:24, xinfan meng <mxf3306@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not sure about changing name. But for branding, how about designing a
> mascot? No other frameworks have one yet.
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 at 23:01, Anirudh <anirudh2290@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Release naming sounds like a great idea. But we would need this for the
>> minor releases too, since many of our customers seem to be switching
>> between different minor releases.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:39 PM, Chris Olivier <cjolivier01@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Ha! good one, Ly!
>> > Let's not forget, though, a high percentage of us know who Sean Combs
>> is. I
>> > couldn't tell you one of his songs, his name changes were a
>> differentiator.
>> >
>> > Makes me think of something -- still another possibility could be the
>> > naming of major releases. Like Android does, for instance. "MXNet
>> Alien",
>> > for instance for 2.0 (alien just being an example since my home PC is an
>> > Alienware). No one else is doing that and it doesnt make me think of
>> > something uncomfortable like "M-X-Net" does by itself.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 2:21 PM Ly Nguyen <nguyenlyx@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I agree with comments on not breaking momentum by rebranding the name.
>> > It's
>> > > also my first time hearing about the pronunciation being "mixnet" and
>> not
>> > > "m-x-net" so that clarification, along with the motivation behind the
>> > name,
>> > > feature parity, would strengthen the brand more.
>> > >
>> > > To that point, Sean Comb's evolution of 5 different names was more
>> > > confusing than it was helpful. :)
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Rahul Huilgol <
>> rahulhuilgol@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Even changing the pronunciation is not an easy thing to do IMHO. As
>> > > someone
>> > > > who has been working on MXNet for the last 8 months, this thread is
>> the
>> > > > first time I am reading that MXNet is supposed to be pronounced
>> > > 'mix-net'.
>> > > > We risk losing the momentum even if we try to steer the
>> pronunciation
>> > > > towards something which is not popular currently.
>> > > >
>> > > > I agree Gluon is a friendlier/cooler name. But since we are trying
>> to
>> > > > present Gluon as an interface which multiple frameworks can
>> implement,
>> > > I'm
>> > > > not sure if we should try to shift the focus away from MXNet and
>> > towards
>> > > > Gluon.
>> > > >
>> > > > As far as adoption goes, I agree with Christopher that public
>> > benchmarks
>> > > or
>> > > > blog posts about how MXNet is better or more usable than other
>> > frameworks
>> > > > would be worth spending effort on. Rebranding in a way to not lose
>> the
>> > > > existing momentum honestly sounds more difficult than this :)
>> > > >
>> > > > By the way, we had some talk of a new friendlier logo sometime back.
>> > What
>> > > > happened to that?
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Aaron Markham <
>> > > aaron.s.markham@gmail.com>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Changing branding is hard as we already have some momentum under
>> the
>> > > > > current name. It's not impossible, and if someone has a fantastic
>> > idea
>> > > > > and marketing plan for it, it's worth considering.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Aside from that, updating the pronunciation could be useful if
you
>> > > > > like having those gif vs jif debates, but at least people would
be
>> > > > > talking about it. I personally like the sound of "mix-net" over
>> > > > > "em-ex-net". Since we're just starting Youtube videos, I think
>> it's a
>> > > > > great idea to establish the pronunciation right away in those
>> videos.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Chris Olivier <
>> > cjolivier01@gmail.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > Just curious why you think it’s a bad idea — you didn’t
say?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:49 PM Chen HY <chenhy12345@gmail.com
>> >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> At least people needs a way to speak it.
>> > > > > >> Just define its pronunciation as "mix-net" or "m-x-net"
and use
>> > the
>> > > > > agreed
>> > > > > >> one everywhere helps a lot.
>> > > > > >> Changing name is a bad idea.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> 2018-04-11 20:29 GMT+01:00 Mu Li <muli.cmu@gmail.com>:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> > Agree that MXNet, the combination of Minerva and
CXXNet,
>> which
>> > can
>> > > > be
>> > > > > >> > interpreted as mixed-net, is hard to be pronounced.
But
>> > > rebranding a
>> > > > > name
>> > > > > >> > is a very big decision. We need a very carefully
designed
>> > > marketing
>> > > > > plan
>> > > > > >> > for it.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > A choice is that we can gradually refer MXNet as
a backend,
>> and
>> > > talk
>> > > > > more
>> > > > > >> > about the frontend Gluon.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Thomas DELTEIL
<
>> > > > > >> > thomas.delteil1@gmail.com>
>> > > > > >> > wrote:
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > > FWIW Brainscript is actually a network definition
language:
>> > > > > >> > > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cognitive-toolkit/
>> > > > > >> > > BrainScript-Network-Builder
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > > Thomas
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > > 2018-04-11 12:13 GMT-07:00 Chiyuan Zhang <
>> pluskid@gmail.com>:
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > > > IIRC CNTK renamed to something like brainscript
which
>> does
>> > not
>> > > > > seem
>> > > > > >> to
>> > > > > >> > be
>> > > > > >> > > > very successful publicity campaign?
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > Chiyuan
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:18 AM Chris
Olivier <
>> > > > > >> cjolivier01@gmail.com>
>> > > > > >> > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > Should we consider renaming MXNet
to something more
>> > > > "friendly"?
>> > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > IMHO, I think this may be related
to adoption problems.
>> > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > MXNet, CMTK -- both seem sort of
sterile and hard to
>> use,
>> > > > don't
>> > > > > >> they?
>> > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > Tensorflow, PyTorch, Caffe -- sound
cool.
>> > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > --
>> > > > > >> > > > Semt ftom m ipohne
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> --
>> > > > > >> Chen Hanyang 陈涵洋
>> > > > > >> Software School Fudan University
>> > > > > >> +86-138-1881-7745
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Rahul Huilgol
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>

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