From dev-return-2325-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Wed Mar 7 19:17:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 0AFFE180656 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 19:17:20 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 36247 invoked by uid 500); 7 Mar 2018 18:17:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@mxnet.incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 36235 invoked by uid 99); 7 Mar 2018 18:17:19 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Mar 2018 18:17:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 00DBAC16E7 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 18:17:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.879 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.879 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd1-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iLFcrFXC8pcl for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 18:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ot0-f176.google.com (mail-ot0-f176.google.com [74.125.82.176]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id BB5675F232 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 18:17:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ot0-f176.google.com with SMTP id l5so2929008otf.9 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2018 10:17:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qC7k9QoY3sdlZiS9nzl6zPnSWBXqdRFMM9ZGDEOOXoQ=; b=mbYJwaHZaepRrS46uGlaEhzieGNO6L01fODC6WD/kG1hli1MQSwEWXjdTq/ineCl5d pLzVgP38igyUWkGSr9UmLPIaUnzjcUr8444vaZIjAzBZTJcCr/PK34ZObD8E6VA/dBpO dDY16mf/073WmblnwesGmYRZgY/8qatpdd/10BCElfK3ltz78Qtr5oGrbGTBlHJuJoto wwQojXLV0YYnEA1S09picWcdyTWBtc17wTzPwZAWnxmT61Z1gvfSTdXLAR6Y81DkpHGf WTePWfxtNhBRFV8PD+rnhrLdH3xyfJuNDwkJ6hSjhxHRWwnmBCp+mKkQzEYuHYcLyB1w FeXQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=qC7k9QoY3sdlZiS9nzl6zPnSWBXqdRFMM9ZGDEOOXoQ=; b=dg7/UB8tou8/sv4jkG/oHabGoBjGO2e4t477yTaqcf2bX9w8LZ/0mDWbBd4MsCV7iy ISEatrsoekr5WRvloRsE+Cgf/OIyLaW07I8m4UmQMtB+Nk4v92Ou3SMSQqypoQOS6BFf QA1Hj8MHHzNg6yUnsQ9ow3aSQmqiklfxPpj7Uyc2/O1imck0M+BvQkLmkSMsVZ+i67u4 yA4sUw2TQiEPuSpgoY3I9X32f16VtplHxp1PWrU/Y3/gViEt43NFgLguOx0Whp1T7xeh XUDXe514VSN9WJZDRuf3oc+PcHgji49yxP3bRXHba2/w8Jnip2XM1/sbj2hoGZ08gMBg 8XxA== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7EQiKRZjfxic3BkS43VoxmXA6IIpwtszTjSuXHVufBQ69pen73m +J0cZR4Y868Gwt8u9JpJJYBKmOnMqo72vvHGZW48fA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELssOsyORSjK3ze6H4qw3aYj1fZlMSErAsL5UrUQzbaCxOgdmfxiJB3RJX0Ceep2eWvAcZMntXU1ieFfJcqeL94= X-Received: by 10.157.112.150 with SMTP id l22mr3142159otj.122.1520446636784; Wed, 07 Mar 2018 10:17:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.74.138.153 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 10:17:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Aaron Markham Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 10:17:16 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [RESULT][VOTE] tracking code changes with JIRA by associating pull requests To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f4f5e80952d4af83830566d6912a" --f4f5e80952d4af83830566d6912a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'm not quite sure if I have enough background on reasons for or against this to vote in the next round, but my two cents: I didn't see much debate on why we need yet another tool for issues that we have to manually maintain...the vote kind of slid in there without many stakeholders realizing what they were being signed up for. I was thinking, sure, if YOU want to make jira tickets, go right ahead. I have two internal ticketing systems to deal with already that assign tasks on MXNet, plus GitHub. Jira would be four. Happy to make it work, but I'll need fifth tool to aggregate communications and metrics between the other four tools! I'm only sort of joking. I saw Chris's response, and ok the public visibility part makes sense, but does this phase out any other overhead? Does it integrate? Jira has integration options so maybe we can eliminate some overhead... Like something that hooks into the GitHub api and generates jira tickets on the fly... I want to believe there's a plan that makes this all easier. What value I don't see is how we lower barriers to contribution and make it more fluid for new users that could become contributors. What's the story and value proposition? Also, I don't see any docs on the website or on github on how to sign up for jira, or how to contribute according to this new requirement anywhere on the site. Myself and new contributors wouldn't know what the expected flow looks like because it's not really accessible. I now see the confluence wiki, but that's pretty much hidden from anyone browsing the site or github and looking to contribute. Why is this info on confluence at all? Why not in the docs on github that are rendered to the website? Or conversely, why is some of the info on github and on the website, if it is being maintained and current only on confluence? These are two separate issues really, but I think if you want buy-in, this needs to be more transparent and obvious, and provide clear reasons and benefits to why you're asking for more overhead. Aaron On Mar 6, 2018 21:14, "Eric Xie" wrote: > -1 > > JIRA is ancient and arcane. This adds unnecessary overhead. > > On 2018/03/03 06:11:12, CodingCat wrote: > > This vote passes with 6 +1 votes (6 bindings) and no 0 or -1 votes. > > > > Binding +1: > > Chris Olivier > > Indhu Bharathi > > Suneel Marthi > > Yuan Tang > > Marco de Abreu > > Sebastian Schelter > > > > > > > > Vote thread: > > https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@mxnet.apache.org:lte= > 1M:tracking%20code%20changes%20with%20JIRA%20by%20associatin > g%20pull%20requests > > > > I will continue with pushing the content to wiki and take it into > practice > > > --f4f5e80952d4af83830566d6912a--