Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Received: from cust-asf.ponee.io (cust-asf.ponee.io [163.172.22.183]) by cust-asf2.ponee.io (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495CF200D4C for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:35:24 +0100 (CET) Received: by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) id 440A5160C18; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 85C3E160BF6 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:35:08 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 7363 invoked by uid 500); 30 Nov 2017 19:35:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@mxnet.incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 7350 invoked by uid 99); 30 Nov 2017 19:35:07 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:35:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 8AEECC5652 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:35:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.098 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, KB_WAM_FROM_NAME_SINGLEWORD=0.2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd1-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-lw-eu.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g_mDX1s5-rJb for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f178.google.com (mail-io0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) by mx1-lw-eu.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-eu.apache.org) with ESMTPS id E75835F566 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:35:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w127so8720407iow.11 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 11:35:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=gXErIESOVhW33eYmx3gO35HHDKotjOVGS6/E5mq3y5M=; b=EAVvODeOPjSdYJWoJZuThD9WTkHsxwQSaQUZ493kfk2E2fLoaVU7RfgZPVGQExOEP0 j3kasFveIMiumNq3VQo3KXGZ7a0eVNf71NdS3L+b2ij84Ryx22qZY6SovuUsqmKeiKRp GI6Mxd8hD8MfMaPSHYc+LC27d+iJDnJqbWdV754YXEOhUGIYyy+WVSQh677JXhwEesLP vgtlNPs1kQJX2g5B3iLL4cXLe7UKiuygT4ydAUvpzHNrYR6eor0cO9ccUvskjzc0QNy8 ObQ+D4xqRxVNW5MTtBMdCMNxET8dwgBuTvr0GX8VeforsXzWv03KB+A6S6WHsAO3pmFA 8hJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gXErIESOVhW33eYmx3gO35HHDKotjOVGS6/E5mq3y5M=; b=laBvZ/MOU1pXbnchIVPu0S2I+SiSPsAC00Mdz3sd5c3ddEE9BLjtVPXRwhBqf7xOPh N2wRRqUOnOt6FSLKfCHHgBSft+FNfLloDgyuSyGYHedYisiaDNCbjT2SoiyfL6SFRE++ lkc57pyLwPsDgfHaWQiFreGKnM43xpqRzDd6FkMhWIeVFlxJbwHsNxvxmJ1AZmkM9ZTL uiIAKpWtezbstcp0CISNPTRMpxo8SGfUd8cFMkL5f3cVFocNevJ5zcSJzCnXi06jpO5p Jsu0T+1a10wFwx1JBvAu/Bqrwxa/ZrUqhvhurIKBePjsOQHFTKWDTQNNu0ESdLm64fCA ffAA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5mAfg45y+Jgg0DToui7A/L/lsbOadDBrP3X5r2Oz0KHlDku//a CLH/D4v4sTmFTBQ6JNRqiIEscseOfLqYYuodpXc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMamYhsf/tAPTNObEKYnkKI9SgbJ2iyX4kdlWaTPsyXGERE2eUXJaZuaqyyMxHjF+d+g83XCkv20eE5Qo8bOp4E= X-Received: by 10.107.8.32 with SMTP id 32mr9444114ioi.200.1512070497646; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 11:34:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.138.6 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 11:34:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Gautam Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 11:34:37 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Protected master needs to be turned off To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Cc: dev@mxnet.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113f9a80e340ee055f38585f" archived-at: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:35:24 -0000 --001a113f9a80e340ee055f38585f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I believe few of the committers voted -1 and those who favored they have put pre-condition. As mentioned before and mentioning again without protected master it will be hard to debug the build failure. And I am sure everyone here is aware of the challenges which CI faces every day, not having protected master makes it more difficult. -Gautam On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Eric Xie wrote: > Since committers voted for +1. We consider this vote passed. > > Thanks, > Eric > > > > On 2017-11-19 12:51, "Eric Xie" wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm starting this thread to vote on turning off protected master. The > reasons are: > > > > 1. Since we turned on protected master pending PRs has grown from 40 to > 80. It is severely slowing down development. > > > > 2. Committers, not CI, are ultimately responsible for the code they > merge. You should only override the CI when you are very confident that CI > is the problem, not your code. If it turns out you are wrong, you should > fix it ASAP. This is the bare minimum requirement for all committers: BE > RESPONSIBLE. > > > > I'm aware of the argument for using protected master: It make sure that > master is stable. > > > > Well, master will be most stable if we stop adding any commits to it. > But that's not what we want is it? > > > > Protected master hardly adds any stability. The faulty tests that breaks > master at random got merged into master because they happened to succeed > once. > > > > Thanks, > > Junyuan Xie > > > -- Best Regards, Gautam Kumar --001a113f9a80e340ee055f38585f--