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I was only referring to string_hash_code.c - it's not being built and it's =
not part of the binaries release.

There are two parts to it.

For Spark binaries release, R package is built and the output is packaged a=
long with the rest of all jars  and python stuff.

There is also a source-only R package that we want to publish to CRAN. This=
 contains only R source (no java stuff). CRAN will then build cross platfor=
m from that source - but again the part with string_hash_code.c is disabled=
.

I guess we should have removed string_hash_code.c from source but we are se=
cretly hoping we could sort that out at some point in the future.. (ie. bui=
lding cross platform)


_____________________________
From: Qiang Kou <qkou@umail.iu.edu<mailto:qkou@umail.iu.edu>>
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: Rcpp licensing in Apache MXNet
To: <dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org<mailto:dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>>


Really thank you for the info.

Can you tell us a little more on how Spark handles the R package?

The building of R package is skipped when releasing, right?

Best wishes,

KK

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Felix Cheung <felixcheung_m@hotmail.com<mai=
lto:felixcheung_m@hotmail.com>>
wrote:

> Re this
>
> The Spark R package includes "R.h" and "Rinternals.h", which are both LGP=
L
> (
> https://github.com/apache/spark/blob/master/R/pkg/src-
> native/string_hash_code.c#L24-L25
> ).
>
> This is actually disabled - it is not getting built and it is not in the
> release - because the way SparkR is packaged in Spark release we haven't
> figured out how to release cross multiple platforms.
>
> (I'm one of the main contributor to SparkR)
>
> ________________________________
> From: Henri Yandell <bayard@apache.org<mailto:bayard@apache.org>>
> Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 12:02:16 AM
> To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org<mailto:dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Rcpp licensing in Apache MXNet
>
> We should bring this up on general@incubator or legal-discuss@.
>
> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 10:59 PM, Qiang Kou <qkou@umail.iu.edu<mailto:qkou=
@umail.iu.edu>> wrote:
>
> > Really thank you for the clearance.
> >
> > From the link you provided,
> >
> > "However, if the component is only needed for optional features, a
> project
> > can provide the user with instructions on how to obtain and install the
> > non-included work."
> >
> > I think this is exactly our case. We provide instructions on how to
> install
> > GNU R and the Rcpp package.
> >
> > Besides, our case is very similar with Spark.
> >
> > The Spark R package includes "R.h" and "Rinternals.h", which are both
> LGPL
> > (
> > https://github.com/apache/spark/blob/master/R/pkg/src-
> > native/string_hash_code.c#L24-L25
> > ).
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Qiang Kou
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Felix Cheung <felixcheung_m@hotmail.com=
<mailto:felixcheung_m@hotmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not the authority on this but a release from an ASF project is
> > > different from releasing with the Apache 2.0 license.
> > >
> > > You can find more out this here
> > > https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#optional
> > >
> > > Specifically, quote:
> > > "Optional means that the component is not required for standard use o=
f
> > the
> > > product or for the product to achieve a desirable level of quality."
> > >
> > > Basically my interpretation is that if an ASF project cannot function
> > > without a component, then it is required and such required component
> > cannot
> > > be one of the prohibited licenses.
> > >
> > > https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-x
> > >
> > > Probably a good idea to start a thread with legal@ if there are more
> > > questions.
> > >
> > > _____________________________
> > > From: Qiang Kou <qkou@umail.iu.edu<mailto:qkou@umail.iu.edu><mailto:q=
kou@umail.iu.edu>>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 3:41 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Rcpp licensing in Apache MXNet
> > > To: <dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org<mailto:dev@mxnet.incubator.apache=
.org><mailto:dev@mxnet.
> > incubator.apache.org<http://incubator.apache.org>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, Felix,
> > >
> > > I just want to make sure there is no misunderstanding between us.
> > >
> > > (1) The MXNet R package heavily used the Rcpp package, but we only
> > include
> > > the
> > > header file, Rcpp.h, like https://github.com/dmlc/mxnet/
> > > blob/master/R-package/src/base.h#L11
> > >
> > > The MXNet R package doesn't contain any source code from Rcpp and the=
re
> > is
> > > no linking against Rcpp.
> > >
> > > (2) There is "LinkingTo: Rcpp" in the R package description (
> > > https://github.com/dmlc/mxnet/blob/master/R-package/DESCRIPTION#L32).
> > > However, this only means we want to use the header files from Rcpp.
> > >
> > > "A package that wishes to make use of header files in other
> > > packages needs to declare them as a
> > > comma-separated list in the field =91LinkingTo=92 in the DESCRIPTION =
file.
> "
> > >
> > > More details can be found from R's official manual (
> > > https://cran.r-project.org/doc/manuals/r-release/R-exts.
> > > html#Package-Dependencies).
> > >
> > > (3) Many R packages who use Rcpp to communicate with C++ have been
> > released
> > > under Apache License, like feather (https://github.com/wesm/
> > > feather/blob/master/R/DESCRIPTION).
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Qiang Kou
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 1:20 AM, Felix Cheung <
> felixcheung_m@hotmail.com<mailto:felixcheung_m@hotmail.com><
> > > mailto:felixcheung_m@hotmail.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On a related note, Rcpp, used extensively in the R package, is
> > > GPLv2/GPLv3
> > > > licensed.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not aware of any other R package available that supports R<->C+=
+.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-x
> > > > https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/Rcpp/index.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Qiang Kou
> > qkou@umail.iu.edu<mailto:qkou@umail.iu.edu>
> > School of Informatics and Computing, Indiana University
> >
>


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Qiang Kou
qkou@umail.iu.edu<mailto:qkou@umail.iu.edu>
School of Informatics and Computing, Indiana University


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