Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Received: from cust-asf.ponee.io (cust-asf.ponee.io [163.172.22.183]) by cust-asf2.ponee.io (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F88A200CBD for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:57:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) id 3C5DA1666F4; Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 83CCE1666F2 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:57:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 55682 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jul 2017 13:57:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@mxnet.incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 55660 invoked by uid 99); 6 Jul 2017 13:57:49 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2017 13:57:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id D33221806B4; Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:57:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.979 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gYmO-NRynQ6p; Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id F07955FBC0; Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Air-McShane.local ([174.63.78.103]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus001 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MXWro-1dEFxx2ave-00WeuQ; Thu, 06 Jul 2017 15:57:43 +0200 Subject: Re: ZeroMQ licensing in Apache MXNet To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org References: From: Shane Curcuru Message-ID: <29282153-275b-ddf4-e981-6f34faaacdf3@shanecurcuru.org> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 09:57:41 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:XOIi60h5tzN5gkcS/y5l0cA1Y6Y9eNt0A4QEteEvXL5VAMLwGnU 0B98T+/88chGquZgb0izycjFRalYZBtkbvOQNSbi3NK3Q8rIqgzOdfYH/5/QIoS6+kyDG3q spHBQeD/S53Wdom5vbL6B+I3qJ6I9dvy+Az9rDvkrPj5NT8KnMFDwoP1ePjbjL/KGXyPrOP bhbjyEhsFYf4f4cv31ACQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:3FhCyZE9L78=:bJfAWP5YVjc+2eWcqpuasy 0ixC79Xt7P0/AUgRrecdfI1dVOop9uRKTLL7dDCFVzUEzAY3B0QxsaCwceF54n2CFTRqXk1rE 9KBUCzpByJsIzsiRYYcu4un3IuZcOS/Dq2V+SA1mckmUZ7pOs0dRfL1RfxFAi7zVMYbc77P8P rvSGN0UYMz5xrZaJ320Oz+FREJ74RJNCGS727/eAtbyfcEqQaTv36fTzEzdtvzcoLOqAcoIsI oiNwWE++gruJkvE78Lj3w3a+LT5gFTT9MPAjX2vEzhcZ7xeT0vmCDsekcX5GV0ErrE1GzzOrG /pFiPZ+s7ohE4AgPLggbLmz7PAYkRl4qKYjjuu9sgWWMNkUoVDgBgcPXv6BsoZrQzEPpvteVR 07vrW7oehpHByL8y/y3FcVfd3bb7GBvLV00aOv1b9U4DkxlGJJnqdE2z15ja0GrjFYkMVp7+U i5ZibNJHnZPeJlEB2RqIHrvUCbrZ+1mGwoWZCY+ALbsit8LL5gvmJJvxiwjV1yhGRKe18/yho +OB4/Q9LqQQ4Bhkax8cs7l9plfiXNBuWBAYlxs7P23hgSlqQoANfbUF8D5MkOqkM8CpFZ8kNo t3hI4HYVjvg8hr59477tStWWXuKa0zEnDDh6Nqj+A3GvUBlp+cany6dL+X7/V2VGoayv79Cy7 dYtMmW2W1kPzAc5T83YBa/wO96c7WcjBsSaKt7bco9QQf1gJrFCGuXaAT5NV1CZy1RohHYPyj avQGlaxITDVT/eaT archived-at: Thu, 06 Jul 2017 13:57:53 -0000 Greg Stein wrote on 7/6/17 4:01 AM: > On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 1:23 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: >> ... > >> I'd like to ask on legal-discuss@ for an exception (one year?) to continue >> using ZeroMQ, with prominent documentation, in MXNet given the trend >> towards MPL 2.0. >> > > I'm not super cozy with the idea of explicit exceptions to licensing > issues. Forward progress mitigates that a bit. I'm not cozy either. And you've confirmed crystal-clear that the exception is clearly valid in this use case and that users won't somehow believe (or need to act) as if the reciprocal clauses in the Zero* software would apply to the podling's release? > > Are there other libraries that could be used, should ZeroMQ *not* get > itself relicensed? In other words, could there be a simultaneous move > towards two options: new library, or a relicensed zeromq? > > >> Any concerns before I do so? >> > > I'd say: no graduation, until solved, regardless of whether an exception is > provided. Agreed. Including LGPL code in any Apache product release is not a good idea immaterial of any explicit exceptions. Merely because the exception may technically make it legally compliant is not the point; end-users will be surprised to see anything *GPL* in Apache products. > > Cheers, > -g -- - Shane https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources