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From james <gar...@verizon.net>
Subject Re: distributed file systems
Date Wed, 11 May 2016 16:46:06 GMT
On 05/11/2016 10:09 AM, Aaron Carey wrote:
> What exactly do you mean by deploying a mesos cluster to run on ceph etc?
>
> Do you mean having a clustered file system mounted via nfs to the hosts which contains
the
> mesos binaries?

That would be one way to use a DFS, but low latency on a variety of 
different linux kernels will be evaluated too. So will the testing of 
ulibc-ng, musl and other fundamental components, as to the trade offs
of performance vs robustness of supported frameworks.


> Or something to do with how jobs are executed?

YES, exactly. In fact, it is most interesting to test with Hi 
Performance Computing (HPC) on top of Mesos.  The simple way to think 
about one of the ultimate goals of the research is how to completely 
replace Hadoop with Mesos, a DFS and many other components. Portability, 
not limited to Arm64v8 is a companion track related to HPC on clusters 
and bare metal hardware. But most HPC installations moving forward, will 
have to also support some typical (admin/web/security/AI/etc) types of 
workloads, as part of the evaluation.


Mesos does seem to be flexible enough for these sorts of explorations
and experiments. There is no inclination for constricting ideas and 
testing of competing components; only the desire to experiment, share
and refine the component mix (aka the cluster-stack), all in open 
forums. I. E. Cluster-Stack_A vs Cluster-Stack_B etc etc for various 
workloads, on fixed, modest cluster sizes.


Think of it as experimentation that will eventually lead to published 
results, such as what mips/mops and various benchmarks have done for 
hardware, only the cluster-stack is the variable(s) under study.

All ideas, comments and criticisms are most welcome. HDFS is mostly 
described as the main bottleneck to HPC efforts and much of what folks 
are doing with various DFS replacements is being too strictly 
constrained, imho.


James


> Aaron Carey
> Production Engineer - Cloud Pipeline
> Industrial Light & Magic
> London
> 020 3751 9150
>
> ________________________________________
> From: james [garftd@verizon.net]
> Sent: 11 May 2016 17:08
> To: user@mesos.apache.org
> Subject: Re: distributed file systems
>
> Hello Rodrick,
>
> That EFS looks interesting, but I did not find the location for the
> source-code/git download?  I do not remember the (linux) kernel hooks
> for that Distributed File System, or is completely on top of the systems
> codes?
>
> License details and I'm not sure if it's 100% opensource?
>
> Beegfs [A] is partially opensource, but that does not fit what is needed
> for experimentation. A robust community around open sources and tools,
> such as github, should have been mentioned. Equally important
> is a community keen on sharing and supporting other efforts to replicate
> and use the components of these cluster centric codes. [B,C]
>
>
> James
>
> [A] http://www.beegfs.com/content/
>
> [B] https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=217783
>
> [C]
> http://searchaws.techtarget.com/news/4500272286/Amazon-EFS-stuck-in-beta-lacks-native-Windows-support
>
>
>
>
> On 05/11/2016 01:07 AM, Rodrick Brown wrote:
>> Does EFS count? :-)
>>
>> https://aws.amazon.com/efs/
>>
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>> On May 10 2016, at 9:07 pm, james <garftd@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>      Hello,
>>
>>
>>      Has anyone customized/compiled mesos and successfully deployed a mesos
>>      cluster to run on cephfs, orangefs [1], or any other distributed file
>>      systems?
>>
>>      If so, some detail on your setup would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>      [1]
>>      http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OrangeFS-Lands-Linux-4.6
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