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From Aldrin Leal <>
Subject Re: Emotional Support Group for Typesafe Maven Users
Date Thu, 04 Dec 2014 23:18:53 GMT
I believe this is an (fair) excuse to get a hug.

-- Aldrin Leal, <>
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On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Eric Kolotyluk <>

> Does anyone know of a good emotional support group for people trying to
> use Maven with Typesafe projects such as Akka and Play?
> I was thinking maybe there could a buddy/sponsor system, such as used in
> AA and other self help groups. Maybe there might be group sessions where
> people can talk about their trauma, especially by being constantly
> invalidated by comments such as "you should use the simple build tool SBT,
> cause, well you know, it's simple and easy to use."
> Seriously though, is there a community of people who are successfully
> using Maven with Akka an Play projects? I would love to meet you.
> I can see why people who have tried Maven naturally think "oh, its' too
> complicated, anyone can write a simple build tool that does what Maven
> does." Clearly they do not appreciate what Maven is or what it does. SBT
> and Gradle are two great examples of projects that attempted to do
> something more simple, but in the end, really don't measure up.
> I personally think the Scala community would be been better served if more
> investment was made in developing better Scala build tools within the Maven
> framework. More and better plugins for Scala, Akka, Play, etc.  Better use
> of
> scala-script-inline.html
> I don't know if there is a Scala template for writing Maven plugins (or
> mojos), but there should be.
> The more I use SBT, the less I like it. It is not what I consider a
> serious build tool for build engineers, it is a toy or playground for Scala
> hackers who thrive on the abstruse. Don't get me wrong, I love Scala, but
> creating a build tool around .scala files just invites the use of chicken
> tracks and obscure overly concise cleverness that leads to one WTF
> experience after another. /It is actually possible to write Scala code that
> you can reason about,/ but it just as easy to write Scala code that
> resembles APL, and reasoning about build engineering was clearly not a
> priority with the designers of SBT.
> The Scala-IDE was a really great approach because it leveraged off of an
> existing IDE infrastructure such as Eclipse, rather than trying to write an
> IDE from scratch the way SBT does. I wish the Scala/Typesafe community had
> taken the same approach with build-tools.
> - Eric

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