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From Jon Pretty <>
Subject Re: [scala-debate] Emotional Support Group for Typesafe Maven Users
Date Wed, 03 Dec 2014 19:27:15 GMT
I can offer you this:

It's a create-your-own-adventure about my experience of trying to publish a
library to Maven Central. It's a couple of years old now, so the landscape
might have improved a little in patches.


On 3 December 2014 at 19:11, Eric Kolotyluk <>

>  Does anyone know of a good emotional support group for people trying to
> use Maven with Typesafe projects such as Akka and Play?
> I was thinking maybe there could a buddy/sponsor system, such as used in
> AA and other self help groups. Maybe there might be group sessions where
> people can talk about their trauma, especially by being constantly
> invalidated by comments such as "you should use the simple build tool SBT,
> cause, well you know, it's simple and easy to use."
> Seriously though, is there a community of people who are successfully
> using Maven with Akka an Play projects? I would love to meet you.
> I can see why people who have tried Maven naturally think "oh, its' too
> complicated, anyone can write a simple build tool that does what Maven
> does." Clearly they do not appreciate what Maven is or what it does. SBT
> and Gradle are two great examples of projects that attempted to do
> something more simple, but in the end, really don't measure up.
> I personally think the Scala community would be been better served if more
> investment was made in developing better Scala build tools within the Maven
> framework. More and better plugins for Scala, Akka, Play, etc.  Better use
> of
> I don't know if there is a Scala template for writing Maven plugins (or
> mojos), but there should be.
> The more I use SBT, the less I like it. It is not what I consider a
> serious build tool for build engineers, it is a toy or playground for Scala
> hackers who thrive on the abstruse. Don't get me wrong, I love Scala, but
> creating a build tool around .scala files just invites the use of chicken
> tracks and obscure overly concise cleverness that leads to one WTF
> experience after another. *It is actually possible to write Scala code
> that you can reason about,* but it just as easy to write Scala code that
> resembles APL, and reasoning about build engineering was clearly not a
> priority with the designers of SBT.
> The Scala-IDE was a really great approach because it leveraged off of an
> existing IDE infrastructure such as Eclipse, rather than trying to write an
> IDE from scratch the way SBT does. I wish the Scala/Typesafe community had
> taken the same approach with build-tools.
> - Eric
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