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From Stephen Connolly <stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Why not a forum
Date Fri, 25 Jul 2014 15:27:13 GMT
As a member of the Apache Maven PMC, one of my duties is to foster the
community AT Apache. That means the mailing lists.

If you are looking for an official forum (in the original meaning of the
word) to discuss Maven and its usage, then users@m.a.o is the place to do
that. We cannot stop people who want to discuss Maven elsewhere, nor do we
want to stop them. But we do want to encourage everyone who is discussing
Maven to do so on an Apache hosted mailing list.


On 25 July 2014 16:03, Ron Wheeler <rwheeler@artifact-software.com> wrote:

> The Maven group on LinkedIn already has 2090 members and LinkedIn has
> 300,000,000 members.
>
> There is also a Meven Developers group with 1,083 members.
>
> I support both but I prefer the more modern approach of LinkedIn as a UI.
> I like having all my groups under a single login.
>
> I also support this mailing list even if it is old and has some funny
> interactions with Thunderbird.
>
> I have not had any problems with their business practices and find it a
> good way to maintain business contacts and participate in discussions.
> A lot of free and open software are represented in groups on LinkedIn.
>
> I think that you would be hard pressed to find an Apache project that is
> not represented.
>
> There are 285 LinkedIn groups that show up in a search for Apache.
> Some are very small and inactive and others are larger and active (HADOOP-
> 11,310 members; Distributed Computing (6,241), Mahout 3,894, OpenOffice
> 1358).
>
> My point is not that everyone should jointhe LinkedIn Maven group but for
> people who don't like mailing lists, there is an alternative that is
> already active.
> There is no need to build another forum.
>
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> On 25/07/2014 10:25 AM, Andrew Todd wrote:
>
>> Apache is an independent non-profit dedicated to the dissemination of free
>> software. The list archives are freely archivable and indexable by anyone
>> who wants to -- and there are many sites, such as Nabble and MarkMail, who
>> do. Using email as the primary means of distribution makes it easy for
>> third parties to do this.
>>
>> On the other hand, LinkedIn is a for-profit corporation with a walled
>> garden solution. It's "free" because it forces people to tie themselves
>> into LinkedIn's system. It can't be easily archived or indexed without
>> LinkedIn's permission. And if they decide to end the service, we're in
>> trouble.
>>
>> There are people like me who will not even create a LinkedIn profile on
>> principle. I don't like the company's business practices.
>>
>> In short, the suggestion is anathema to a free software organization. You
>> might as well tell us to use Facebook as a discussion medium.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Preston, Dale <
>> Dale.Preston@conocophillips.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I do participate in a couple other Linked-In lists.  I'll check that one
>>> out.  As the response to this thread shows, though, replies come pretty
>>> quickly in the email list.  In any case, the Linked-In list sounds worth
>>> investigating.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ron Wheeler [mailto:rwheeler@artifact-software.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:23 AM
>>> To: users@maven.apache.org
>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: Why not a forum
>>>
>>> On 23/07/2014 9:03 AM, Mark H. Wood wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 03:51:54PM +0000, Preston, Dale wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was just wondering why this group uses an email list rather than a
>>>>>
>>>> forum.  It seems forum software is more searchable and filterable than
>>> email lists.
>>>
>>>> If it had been my choice:  because I'd have to go to a forum every day
>>>> (and a hundred others!) while email comes to me.  I have plenty of
>>>> powerful email search and filter tools right here on my workstation.
>>>>
>>>> Every time someone proposes some other medium for this sort of
>>>> communication (forum, Twitter, etc.) my first question is "how can I
>>>> get that in email?"  I can't think offhand of any forum software I've
>>>> used that isn't uncomfortable, inconvenient and hard to search.
>>>>
>>>>  The Maven LinkedIn forum will send you e-mails plus LinkedIn will
>>> inform
>>> you of activity in discussions in which you are active in all of the
>>> groups
>>> to which you belong.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ron Wheeler
>>> President
>>> Artifact Software Inc
>>> email: rwheeler@artifact-software.com
>>> skype: ronaldmwheeler
>>> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
>>>
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>
> --
> Ron Wheeler
> President
> Artifact Software Inc
> email: rwheeler@artifact-software.com
> skype: ronaldmwheeler
> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
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