Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-maven-users-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-maven-users-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AEEF100F1 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:12:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 95719 invoked by uid 500); 10 Jan 2014 15:11:10 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-maven-users-archive@maven.apache.org Received: (qmail 95623 invoked by uid 500); 10 Jan 2014 15:11:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@maven.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Maven Users List" Reply-To: "Maven Users List" Delivered-To: mailing list users@maven.apache.org Received: (qmail 95599 invoked by uid 99); 10 Jan 2014 15:11:07 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:11:07 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [24.37.79.202] (HELO smtp.artifact-software.com) (24.37.79.202) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:11:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.artifact-software.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723AD6A7A68 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:10:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at artifact-software.com Received: from smtp.artifact-software.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.artifact-software.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WFchemp81mew for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.3.170] (unknown [192.168.3.170]) by smtp.artifact-software.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172F06A7A6D for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:02:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <52D00B6F.1010902@artifact-software.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:02:07 -0500 From: Ron Wheeler Reply-To: rwheeler@artifact-software.com Organization: Artifact Software User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maven Users List Subject: Value of a prodyct comparison Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000202060508050709080504" X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --------------000202060508050709080504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not sure that I agree with this section of https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Project+Description+Contest* "Note: *this does not preclude us from including a "feature comparison matrix" page somewhere in our site... but we should recognise that such a matrix would likely be biased by our philosophy, which most likely negates the utility of hosting such a page on our site. Let us leave the feature comparison matrices to those that have no axe to grind (and spend our energy ensuring that their matrices are fair to us, just as other solutions in this space should be doing for the representation of their tools on such matrices)" There may be some value is writing the comparison from a Maven point of view. It does give a chance to describe where there are differences and why they are important from the POV of the "Maven way". Maven is based on certain beliefs about the way software should be developed and built. As most politicians can tell you, it is better to define yourself than have someone else define you. It is most uncertain that third parties will give the same weighting to the value of certain practices and features that the Maven community would. It is clear from the discussions in this forum, that it is easy to get off to a shaky start when first trying to use Maven. A person doing a quick evaluation of development tools could easily bring with them some assumptions about software development processes and come up with a very distorted view of Maven. I think that an accurate product comparison written from the maven POV is fair and useful for someone coming to Maven for the first time. It will highlight things that Maven does that other systems don't do as well and there is no reason to exclude things where Ant is better and explain why the Maven community does not consider that a deal breaker. Ron -- Ron Wheeler President Artifact Software Inc email: rwheeler@artifact-software.com skype: ronaldmwheeler phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102 --------------000202060508050709080504--