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From Ron Wheeler <>
Subject Re: maven-failsafe-plugin: what is it actually intended for?
Date Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:05:16 GMT
You will probably get better answers.

On 13/11/2013 12:09 PM, James Green wrote:
> So where should one place a test that intends on exercising code against
> something real? We have bits here that involve http calls that pre-date
> soap and we therefore have no mock.

It depends on what you are testing.
If it is a webapp, you may find that you have to put the script in a 
spreadsheet that you give to a human.
If you have a keystoke emulator, then the script will go in the emulator.

Integration tests in general would be separate projects.

Mocks have nothing to do with soap so I am not sure what age has to do 
with testing.

> A repeat of the second question from my original post: does the integrate
> test execute against the artefact produced or against the original source
> code?
You always want to test against the artifact produced in an integration 
Unit test is usually in the project that produces the artifact and has 
to pass before the artifact is produced.


> On 13 November 2013 15:59, Stephen Connolly <
>> wrote:
>> On 13 November 2013 15:20, James Green <> wrote:
>>> I love the FAQ entry that states that it is intended for running
>>> integration tests.
>>> The next entry should read: What do you call an integration test?
>> Any test that takes more than 1 second to run is *not* a unit test.
>> Most tests that take more than 50ms to run are *not* unit tests... but
>> there can be some exceptions
>> If a unit test needs to call out to other systems, it will typically use a
>> mock.
>> If your test is actually calling out to other systems (which could be code
>> from a dependency, etc - i.e. not just a TCP socket, could be a call within
>> JVM) then it is testing the integration of those two parts... therefore it
>> is not a unit test.
>> There is no hard and fast rule as to where the transition occurs... but we
>> know that tests who's execution time is greater than 1 second are not unit
>> tests... and hence are integration tests...
>> HTH
>>> I've asked around and no-one comes up with a consistent answer. I guess
>> it
>>> depends on what is executing the integration test. In this case maven is
>>> invoking someone after the packaging phase so should I expect to run
>> tests
>>> against the packaged binary artefact? Is that the purpose here?
>>> Thanks,
>>> James

Ron Wheeler
Artifact Software Inc
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102

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