Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-maven-users-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-maven-users-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F324910971 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 15:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 58338 invoked by uid 500); 2 Aug 2013 15:52:23 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-maven-users-archive@maven.apache.org Received: (qmail 58048 invoked by uid 500); 2 Aug 2013 15:52:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@maven.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Maven Users List" Reply-To: "Maven Users List" Delivered-To: mailing list users@maven.apache.org Received: (qmail 58015 invoked by uid 99); 2 Aug 2013 15:52:20 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:52:20 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of paulus.benedictus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.66 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.219.66] (HELO mail-oa0-f66.google.com) (209.85.219.66) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:52:15 +0000 Received: by mail-oa0-f66.google.com with SMTP id i4so692527oah.5 for ; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 08:51:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=X04hlRe7YCf59C6RzQdFGvBxt4tKyTaf/ZAau+vlCyg=; b=xIi8c0GIfRG7cktHPhC7e40jkIKEsG2zwPWmZfevuO0KvG+UHXGmq8B4BWmGGGTGSW NRd8tr3MFY2iKVqCrqP5wldermAUdD+qARUi3kHK++uPklycW5LZpY1Oeheb4xVeOHU4 apHe8v9Fd+TsUwTakkeeu7nv+Se+zTwtzouaiflTQCx23Mw8HpQnvx5NEW1Tx0iFXu2f obx3/huNP/AtJ9gyJrxogBYon2TJc56wxb+j3OLEXXmgToPT1tqKMMf+Ycy2uKaOh1dE eKgDJ41sIG5Mce0vLQ4EINU0BPBeoxr3LqfmTJNjdfpQ8ZikrgDvh1PEXeAuTjHv9WAP 95tg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.60.228 with SMTP id k4mr5528988oer.84.1375458715022; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 08:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Sender: paulus.benedictus@gmail.com Received: by 10.76.139.5 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 08:51:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 10:51:54 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: S-k0IPV7eIeo_HsjukA-ApjKAzw Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] On the Maven PMC roles... (was [DISCUSS] Should the Maven PMC be an example of how we want the Maven Community to behave...) From: Paul Benedict To: Maven Developers List Cc: Maven Users List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01538c5a1cb97a04e2f8f0d8 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --089e01538c5a1cb97a04e2f8f0d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't understand the iron hand analogy. I was expressing the use of a vote to allow or disallow critical development outside of Apache. The vote would lead to a consensus, no? On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Stephen Connolly < stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2 August 2013 16:32, Paul Benedict wrote: > > > Furthermore, I'd like to see explicit procedural rules on Maven Core and > > forking. For example, if there's a critical component needing development > > for Core, and a PMC expresses that such development will be done outside > of > > Apache and then used as a dependency, shouldn't there be a vote on that? > > > > Votes should be a tool to confirm consensus... not an iron hand. > > If the consensus of the developers is to use the dependency which is > external to the project, then that is fine. If there is no consensus then > the dependency will not be introduced. > > We already have a policy that adding Category B dependencies to Core > requires approval of the PMC, I don't see that there is much value in > adding even more to this document... but if you can suggest a patch and > people agree with it... > > -Stephen > -- Cheers, Paul --089e01538c5a1cb97a04e2f8f0d8--