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From jhumble <...@jezhumble.net>
Subject Re: Continuous Delivery and Maven
Date Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:30:04 GMT

Curt makes a good point - you can do CI without doing CD. The snapshot stuff
works just fine with CI.

It seems to be a tool that is prone to being used foolishly


I think that's probably true of any sufficiently powerful tool or technique.

Jez.

On 15 November 2010 10:23, Yanko, Curtis [via Maven] <
ml-node+3266162-1775935974-143561@n5.nabble.com<ml-node%2B3266162-1775935974-143561@n5.nabble.com>
> wrote:

> I can't help but feel you are confusing the discussion on CD with CI
> which to me, is mostly a natural progression and maturity of a good
> build system.
>
> The other good news is, you don't have to use it foolishly if you choose
> not too! ;-)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ron Wheeler [mailto:[hidden email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=3266162&i=0>]
>
> > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 10:28 AM
> > To: [hidden email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=3266162&i=1>
> > Subject: Re: Continuous Delivery and Maven
> >
> > On 15/11/2010 8:18 AM, Yanko, Curtis wrote:
> > > You're happy about NOT using CI????
> > >
> > Yes. It seems to be a tool that is prone to being used foolishly.
> >
> > We are a small shop maintaining and developing a large
> > (70+POM files) portal application with portlets, web
> > services, servlets and batch process and do not seem to  have
> > the types of issues that the people, trying to use CI, bring
> > to the table.
> >
> > They seem to get into all kinds of troubles with SNAPSHOTs,
> > build repeatability, source control and architectures that
> > are too interdependent.
> > I can not see how they ever test anything with a continually
> > unstable CI build.
> >
> > Of course, I know that I am only seeing the worst cases in
> > the forum so my mind is not completely closed on the subject.
> > I can hardly wait until we have a "Best Practice" section on
> > the Maven site so that I can see how a CI should be
> > integrated into a Maven environment and perhaps that will
> > make me unhappy that I an not using CI.
> >
> >
> > Ron
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Ron Wheeler [mailto:[hidden email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=3266162&i=2>]
>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 2:05 PM
> > >> To: [hidden email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=3266162&i=3>
> > >> Subject: Re: Continuous Delivery and Maven
> > >>
> > >> I would add the following bits of reality.
> > >> We don't use CI and a lot of the discussion makes me very
> > happy about
> > >> that.
> > >>
> > >
> > > -Curt
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Jez Humble
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http://continuousdelivery.com/
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