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Subject: RE: Re: Is maven good to small projects
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:14:39 +0800
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Thread-Topic: Re: Is maven good to small projects
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From: "Adrian Shum" <tcshum@taifook.com>
To: "Maven Users List" <users@maven.apache.org>

Well, though I tends to agree on the Maven's directory layout, I am
not going to 'fight' for it now  :)=20

Just wanna to point out that your reasoning behind your=20
statement "it's not necessary to use Maven in simply projects"
is weak and fragile.

Whether one wanna adopt standard directory layout is unrelated
to the simplicity of the project. Contradictarily, such reasoning
prohibits "large, complex" projects to adopt Maven instead.

Therefore I don't really see a valid point in your reasons to support
your statement on "Maven is (mostly) only necessary to large
scale project"

Cheers,
Adrian

-----Original Message-----
From: Sha Jiang [mailto:jiangshachina@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 8:00 PM
To: Maven Users List
Subject: Re: Re: Is maven good to small projects


Hello,
Maven's standard direcotry layout may not be accepted by everyone.
Because of my favourite, I don't like the layout, however it is fit for =
much
matters.
To much legacy, we have to adapt to customized layout, and have to =
increase
the POMs' complexity.
Of course, nothing can be tasted well by everyone.

a cup of Java, cheers!
Sha Jiang

2006/9/6, Dave Hoffer <DHoffer@xrite.com>:
>
> Maven2 is very good at small and large projects.
>
> My only complaint with maven2 is that it seems not quite ready [2.0.4] =
in
> some areas...if you need those 'not-quite-ready' areas you are in for =
some
> work as you will need to build and install snapshots of various =
plugins.
>
> ...Just my two cents.
>
> -dh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sha Jiang [mailto:jiangshachina@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:52 AM
> To: Maven Users List
> Subject: Re: Re: Is maven good to small projects
>
> Hi,
> Generally, I only use Eclipse. If there are serveral developers or =
many
> moduels , Ant and CruiseControl can be considered.
> I only think we don't consider Maven first in a small project.
> Of course, I must say that I don't recognize Maven several days =
before.
> I may be confused by Maven's "complex" mechanism, Ant can be used more
> freely :)
> My words are from a newbie's eyes. I'm learning the tool and its soul, =
and
> will use it in a real project.
>
> a cup of Java, cheers!
> Sha Jiang
>
> 2006/9/6, Stefan Magnus Landr=F8 <stefan-magnus.landro@gjensidige.no>:
> >
> > I totally disagree with you, Sha!
> >
> > From my experience, even small projects, with just a few =
dependencies,
> > benefit from using maven.
> >
> > What are your alternatives? Can any other build system match maven's
> > ability to produce:
> >
> > - a project layout
> > - eclipse project
> > - easy continuous integration
> > - javadoc
> > etc etc.....
> >
> > "Sha Jiang" <jiangshachina@gmail.com> skrev 05.09.2006 14:06:27:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > > Maven can adapt various projects. But in my eyes, it's not =
necessary
> to
> > use
> > > Maven in simply projects. In fact, most projects don't use Maven.
> > > Small project may not include many modules, and there are few the
> > > developers. Then using Maven makes a bigger complexity and =
redundancy
> > > possibly.
> > >
> > > a cup of Java, cheers!
> > > Sha Jiang
> > >
> > > 2006/9/5, Alexander Sack <pisymbol@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean?  Can you explain why you think it wouldn't be?
> > > >
> > > > My biggest draw to Maven right now is the dependency management =
and
> > > > inheritance capabilities.  Especially in a Java EE centric world
> where
> > you
> > > > have the concept of client side jars, runtime dependent =
libraries,
> as
> > well
> > > > as provided/platform libraries.  Its hard to manage this with =
just
> > > > ANT.  Add
> > > > Eclipse, and things become even more complicated.
> > > >
> > > > Bottom line is its not the number of people on the project that
> > determines
> > > > Maven's usefulness, its the project itself.
> > > >
> > > > -aps
> > > >
> > > > On 9/5/06, Dudu <eduardopichler@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is maven good to small teams, like two programmers?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > "What lies behind us and what lies in front of us is of little
> concern
> > to
> > > > what lies within us." -Ralph Waldo Emerson
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
>
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