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Subject: Re: The maven-archetype-plugin paradox
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From: Karl Heinz Marbaise <khmarbaise@gmx.de>
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Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 20:00:33 +0200
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Hi,

On 08/05/17 19:38, Robert Scholte wrote:
> So we have this plugin, which has been released lately as requested by
> the community.
> It has been released as a 3.x, so it now requires Maven3 and with this
> major release[1] we used this opportunity to break compatibility in case
> there are parameters we don't want to use anymore.

with a major number we break compatibility which we have decided cause 
otherwise we can't go further any step...

I've taken a look into the issue comment which is from my point of view 
useless...cause it's claiming about compatility which is intended to 
change with 3.X apart from that i does not give more details why etc.


> So I think we made quite some people happy now that things are working
> much more according to Maven default behavior. However, other have
> issues to use the archetype. Sometimes it is because they are using
> deprecated parameters (or use parameters which should have been removed
> as well), others have a local setup which now requires to add the
> repository to their settings.xml.

That sounds like wrong setup's etc. which we had thought about several 
times and we don't want to support it any longer with release 3.X ....

The users need to learn we will change things and sometimes we need to 
break things with major version changes...if users don't like the 
changes they need to stuck with older versions...


>
> I still think that ARCHETYPE-439[2] is valid, so I'd prefer not to
> revert. Instead I hope we can find a solution which will fit better for
> the most.

it is valid Absolutely no doubt about it...If people don't like the new 
release they have to stuck with the older version...that's it...

Apart from that you will always have people which complain about a 
change cause they don't like to change anything...(I'm making this 
experience several times on the job as well)..

>
> I can think of the following solutions:
> 1. Continue with taken decision and further improve usage without extra
> parameters

+1 for this...


> 2. Find somebody willing to maintain the plugin at ASF
> 3. Donate the plugin
> 4. Revert
>
> #3 is a serious option, because it seems that within the team there's
> nobody willing to maintain the plugin, probably due to other Maven
> sub-projects which have a higher priority.

The later is more the truth...cause we have many things to do at the 
moment..

If someone has a problem it there are pull request which can be 
made...or if really necessary a fork is also possible...

The mantenaince has been done over the time seemed to be fine...and keep 
the plugin here...

And as Manfred alsready said:

dont fret. Keep up the good work ;-)


Kind regards
Karl Heinz Marbaise


>
> Any thoughts on this topic?
>
> Robert
>
> [1] http://semver.org/
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ARCHETYPE-439
>
>

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