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From "Robert Scholte" <rfscho...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Maven 3.2.6
Date Tue, 03 Mar 2015 18:44:56 GMT
Wagon fails on my Windows machine, so I can't release it, otherwise I  
would.
Based on my interpretations of the changes on Wagon it should fix the  
deploy issues with ssh.

Robert


Op Tue, 03 Mar 2015 19:36:48 +0100 schreef Dan Tran <dantran@gmail.com>:

> FYI, i think Robert configure wagon to use 2.9-SNAPSHOT to test out ssh
> hanging issue. We can either release wagon and downgrade wagon back to  
> 2.8
>
> Thanks
>
> -D
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io> wrote:
>
>> Today in the afternoon here I can be around after 20h. Yesterday didn't
>> work. Karl-Heinz what's your schedule looking like?
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 11:14 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.boutemy@free.fr>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I should be there (after 20h, Paris time)
>> > I'd like to improve docs on new features (like extensions model)
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Hervé
>> >
>> > Le dimanche 1 mars 2015 15:38:32 Jason van Zyl a écrit :
>> >> We can just sync up in IRC and pop in a hangout if people are
>> interested.
>> >> I'll sift through JIRA in the morning. I'm in California so I'll try  
>> to
>> get
>> >> up a bit earlier so it's not the end of your day by the time we get
>> around
>> >> to meeting.
>> >> On Mar 1, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise <khmarbaise@gmx.de>
>> wrote:
>> >>> Hi Jason,
>> >>>
>> >>> are those changes you made already public in branches? So it's
>> possible to
>> >>> take a look into it...
>> >>>
>> >>> And a hangout tomorrow sounds great...I'm interested in...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Kind regards
>> >>> Karl Heinz
>> >>>
>> >>> On 3/1/15 10:06 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm done rebasing and merging my changes into master here locally.
>> But I
>> >>>> still have a day or two of testing and a day of writing  
>> documentation.
>> >>>> There are also a couple APIs I'm not super happy with so I might
 
>> alter
>> >>>> those slightly before the final release.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So if anyone wants to jump in a hangout tomorrow to chat about 

>> other
>> bits
>> >>>> we want to try and do for 3.3.0 I'm game. I also need to go through
>> and
>> >>>> find all references to 3.2.6 and change them to 3.3.0. There are
a  
>> few
>> >>>> ITs that depend directly on 3.2.6-SNAPSHOT so all that needs to
be
>> >>>> looked at as well.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So I think we're looking at a few more days if anyone wants to get
 
>> in
>> >>>> small fixes.>>
>> >>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:37 AM, Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io>
wrote:
>> >>>>> Great, thanks. I'm just working away on the work I'd like to
get  
>> in.
>> So
>> >>>>> tentatively hope to be done this weekend.>>>
>> >>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:03 AM, Andreas Gudian <
>> andreas.gudian@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>>>>> I'm done with my changes (documented in MNG-5776), and it
seems  
>> to
>> work
>> >>>>>> -
>> >>>>>> no at least the java process is started with the right parameters
>> and
>> >>>>>> no
>> >>>>>> script variables leak out into the cmd console... ;-)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> @Igor: thanks for checking up, I overlooked your second
commit  
>> with
>> the
>> >>>>>> change of the VM-argument name.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 2015-02-26 18:07 GMT+01:00 Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io>:
>> >>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 3:49 AM, Andreas Gudian <
>> andreas.gudian@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> I can handle that, but not before the weekend.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Jason, does that conflict with your schedule for
the release?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> No dire rush on my side and I have two feature branches
to merge
>> >>>>>>> anyway so
>> >>>>>>> take your time. Happy to have the help.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps we just say that we drop the support for
old Windows
>> versions
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> with
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> 3.3.0 and do the actual work that removes the support
from the  
>> bat
>> >>>>>>>> files
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> the next minor release?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I would imagine that no one out there cares for
Windows 98/ME
>> anyway
>> >>>>>>>> ;-).
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2015 schrieb Anders Hammar
:
>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Stephen Connolly
<
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Anders Hammar
<
>> anders@hammar.net
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> One thing we could do to make stuff
easier around these  
>> .bat
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> scripts
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> drop support for this 4NT shell
and Windows versions that  
>> are
>> not
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> based
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> on
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> NT (i.e. Windows 9x / ME).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, as Maven 3.2+ requires a minimum
of JDK 1.6 there is  
>> no
>> >>>>>>>>>>> reason
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> support anything that JDK 1.6 doesn't
run on.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> If we are calling this 3.3.0 we can just
say we have dropped  
>> win
>> >>>>>>>>>> 9x/Me
>> >>>>>>>>>> support and the 4NT alternative command
interpreter
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Yes. We should probably clearly state what we
support in the
>> System
>> >>>>>>>>> Requirements (both on-line and in distro).
>> >>>>>>>>> And a JIRA ticket to go with this is good for
the release  
>> notes.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> /Anders
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I can't find any info about Oracle JDK
1.6, but Oracle JDK  
>> 1.7
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> requires a
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> minimum of Windows Vista [1].
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't find any info on openJDK's
requirements.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> IBM J9 JDK 6 seems to require a minimum
of Windows XP SP3  
>> [2].
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/config-417990.html
>> >>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/#!/SSYKE2_6.0.0/com.ibm.
>> >>>>>>> java.doc.60_26/vm626/GenericWrapper/
>> hardwareandsoftwarerequirements.ht
>> >>>>>>> ml>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> /Anders
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-25 19:38 GMT+01:00 Jason
van Zyl <jason@takari.io
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Awesome, thanks!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 10:32 AM,
Andreas Gudian <
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> andreas.gudian@gmail.com <javascript:;>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stuck with a windows
box and I can give it a try...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> .bat-scripting is not really
a joy, but what's in the  
>> patch
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> should
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> translatable.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andreas
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-25 17:01 GMT+01:00
Igor Fedorenko <
>> igor@ifedorenko.com
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see actual diff
to mvn shell script in [1], but  
>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> changes
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> was
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically two-fold.
First, find nearest parent directory
>> that
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> contains
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .mvn/ subdirectory.
This parent is considered "true"
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> multi-module
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project root (MNG-1958).
Second, if .mvn/java.config  
>> file
>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> present
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately under the
true multimodule project root, use
>> its
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> content
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java invocation parameters,
i.e. similar to $MAVEN_OPTS
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> environment
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> variable.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know enough
about Windows scripting to make  
>> similar
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> change
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mvn.bat and mvnDebug.bat
batch files.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>  
>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=maven.git;a=commit;h=
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8ed9a1caa8890773b45c6c408a4e40acf4f4b0fd
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igor
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-02-25 9:56,
Robert Patrick wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly is
the problem that Igor ran into that  
>> limits
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> solution
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Unix-only?  Knowing
this would help people determine
>> what
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> level
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort needed to
solve the problem.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Patrick <robert.patrick@oracle.com
 
>> <javascript:;>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VP, Oracle Corporation
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7460 Warren Pkwy,
Ste. 300      Office: +1.972.963.2872
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frisco, TX 75034,
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professional Oracle
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Robert Patrick,
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Josh Bregman
and Paul Done
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Book Home Page:
http://www.wrox.com/
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindle Version:
http://www.amazon.com/
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason van
Zyl [mailto:jason@takari.io
>> <javascript:;>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>]
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday,
February 25, 2015 7:40 AM
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Maven Developers
List
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Maven
3.2.6
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2015,
at 11:31 PM, Arnaud Héritier <
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> aheritier@gmail.com <javascript:;>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had a quick look
at the changeling and I'm +1 for a
>> 3.3.0
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> with
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvements
like the toolchain integration and few
>> others
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> far
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the project
and won't veto anything as I have no
>> time
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> it
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> but
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand
why
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5767
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> was
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrated without
a windows support ? For me it is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> or
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Noone could
help Igor on this ?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be great
if someone would help, but it is  
>> still a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> forward.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For projects that
require this and document specific
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> requirements
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> it
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just work for non-Windows
users. Say the project needs
>> 8gb to
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> run
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly: in most
cases no one reads the documentation
>> they
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> run
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> build
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it fails. Then
they go read something and figure it
>> out
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> it
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've at least made
it work for some people. If there
>> isn't a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> single
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer who uses
Windows who can add the same
>> capabilities
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> we
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a contributor
I don't think it should stop the
>> feature
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> going
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the people it
can benefit.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igor and I don't
use Windows regularly, don't know
>> Windows,
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> don't
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> want
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know Windows and
none of our customers use Windows.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's overall a net
improvement. For me it's a about
>> gradual
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> improvement.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I've asked on
Twitter if there are any Windows  
>> users
>> that
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> can
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> help.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many months/years
ago the integration of colors in logs
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> was
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rejected in
a part because we wasn't confident in the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> support
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that
was the issue. The issue was us not
>> being
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> able
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on an underlying
logging framework. I've seen  
>> JANSI
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> working
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> fine on
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows for years.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My 2 cents.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb
25, 2015 at 1:29 AM, Mark Derricutt <
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> mark@talios.com <javascript:;>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25 Feb 2015,
at 4:06, Karl Heinz Marbaise wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based on
the list of changes i would suggest to make  
>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.3.0
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> instead
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.2.6....to
make clear something is introduced....
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on 3.3.0
here. Bring on the changes!
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Derricutt
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.theoryinpractice.net
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.chaliceofblood.net
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://plus.google.com/+MarkDerricutt
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/talios
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://facebook.com/mderricutt
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arnaud Héritier
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://aheritier.net
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail/GTalk:
aheritier AT gmail DOT com Twitter/Skype :
>> >>>>>>>>> aheritier
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari
and Apache Maven
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People develop abstractions
by generalizing from  
>> concrete
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> examples.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every attempt to
determine the correct abstraction on
>> paper
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> without
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually developing
a running system is doomed to
>> failure. No
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> one
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smart. A framework
is a resuable design, so you develop
>> it by
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> looking
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the things it is
supposed to be a design of. The more
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> look at,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the more general
your framework will be.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Ralph Johnson
& Don Roberts, Patterns for Evolving
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Frameworks
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lastly, "Impossible." The lamest
of the lame excuses!
>> Difficult
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> maybe,
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> or
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> impractical, or too expensive,
but rarely is anything
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Yvon Chouinard, Let my People
Go Surfing
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>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my phone
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Jason
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>> >>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>> >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> the course of true love never did run smooth ...
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -- Shakespeare
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
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>> >>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jason
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>> Jason van Zyl
>> >>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>> >>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> >>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> We know what we are, but know not what we may be.
>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jason
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>> Jason van Zyl
>> >>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>> >>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> >>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We know what we are, but know not what we may be.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  -- Shakespeare
>> >>>
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>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Jason
>> >>
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> >> Jason van Zyl
>> >> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>> >> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> >> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Be not afraid of growing slowly, be only afraid of standing still.
>> >>
>> >> -- Chinese Proverb
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Jason van Zyl
>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
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>> A master in the art of living draws no sharp distinction between his  
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>> education and his recreation. He hardly knows which is which. He simply
>> pursues his vision of excellence through whatever he is doing, and  
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>> others to determine whether he is working or playing. To himself, he  
>> always
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>>   -- François-René de Chateaubriand
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