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From Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io>
Subject Re: Maven 3.2.6
Date Thu, 05 Mar 2015 16:00:31 GMT
Did you try it again, worked for me locally now with the last change.

I just kicked off a 3 hour testing process for the new 3.3.0-SNAPSHOT so I'll be more confident after that works.

I'd really like to bump up to Java 1.7 as well before the release. I think it's an appropriate time given the bump to 3.3.0 and the imminent EOL of Java 1.7. I don't think I know anyone left running 1.6.

On Mar 4, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.boutemy@free.fr> wrote:

> I just tried to build Maven core 3.3.0-SNAPSHOT with itself and got a failure 
> like MNG-5779 (which was at the moment supposed to be only during reporting)
> 
> Can others try and confirm, please?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Hervé
> 
> Le mercredi 4 mars 2015 07:14:32 Jason van Zyl a écrit :
>> At this point we might as well just chat in the dev hangout tomorrow. Today
>> I'll focus on some more testing and documentation.
>> On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise <khmarbaise@gmx.de> wrote:
>>> Hi Jason,
>>> 
>>> at the moment i have 09:00 o'clock pm ...(21:00 o'clock) CET...
>>> 
>>> I'm available ....
>>> 
>>> On 3/3/15 4:15 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>>> Today in the afternoon here I can be around after 20h. Yesterday didn't
>>>> work. Karl-Heinz what's your schedule looking like?>> 
>>>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 11:14 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.boutemy@free.fr> wrote:
>>>>> I should be there (after 20h, Paris time)
>>>>> I'd like to improve docs on new features (like extensions model)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hervé
>>>>> 
>>>>> Le dimanche 1 mars 2015 15:38:32 Jason van Zyl a écrit :
>>>>>> We can just sync up in IRC and pop in a hangout if people are
>>>>>> interested.
>>>>>> I'll sift through JIRA in the morning. I'm in California so I'll try to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> up a bit earlier so it's not the end of your day by the time we get
>>>>>> around
>>>>>> to meeting.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise <khmarbaise@gmx.de> 
> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Jason,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> are those changes you made already public in branches? So it's
>>>>>>> possible to
>>>>>>> take a look into it...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And a hangout tomorrow sounds great...I'm interested in...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>> Karl Heinz
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 3/1/15 10:06 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm done rebasing and merging my changes into master here locally.
>>>>>>>> But I
>>>>>>>> still have a day or two of testing and a day of writing
>>>>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>>>> There are also a couple APIs I'm not super happy with so I might
>>>>>>>> alter
>>>>>>>> those slightly before the final release.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So if anyone wants to jump in a hangout tomorrow to chat about other
>>>>>>>> bits
>>>>>>>> we want to try and do for 3.3.0 I'm game. I also need to go through
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> find all references to 3.2.6 and change them to 3.3.0. There are a
>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>> ITs that depend directly on 3.2.6-SNAPSHOT so all that needs to be
>>>>>>>> looked at as well.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So I think we're looking at a few more days if anyone wants to get in
>>>>>>>> small fixes.>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:37 AM, Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Great, thanks. I'm just working away on the work I'd like to get in.
>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>> tentatively hope to be done this weekend.>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:03 AM, Andreas Gudian
>>>>>>>>> <andreas.gudian@gmail.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I'm done with my changes (documented in MNG-5776), and it seems to
>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>> no at least the java process is started with the right parameters
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>> script variables leak out into the cmd console... ;-)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> @Igor: thanks for checking up, I overlooked your second commit with
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> change of the VM-argument name.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-26 18:07 GMT+01:00 Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io>:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 3:49 AM, Andreas Gudian
>>>>>>>>>>> <andreas.gudian@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can handle that, but not before the weekend.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason, does that conflict with your schedule for the release?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> No dire rush on my side and I have two feature branches to merge
>>>>>>>>>>> anyway so
>>>>>>>>>>> take your time. Happy to have the help.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we just say that we drop the support for old Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>> versions
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.3.0 and do the actual work that removes the support from the
>>>>>>>>>>>> bat
>>>>>>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the next minor release?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would imagine that no one out there cares for Windows 98/ME
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway
>>>>>>>>>>>> ;-).
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2015 schrieb Anders Hammar :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Stephen Connolly <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Anders Hammar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <anders@hammar.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing we could do to make stuff easier around these .bat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drop support for this 4NT shell and Windows versions that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NT (i.e. Windows 9x / ME).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, as Maven 3.2+ requires a minimum of JDK 1.6 there is no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support anything that JDK 1.6 doesn't run on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we are calling this 3.3.0 we can just say we have dropped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> win
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9x/Me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support and the 4NT alternative command interpreter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. We should probably clearly state what we support in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> System
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Requirements (both on-line and in distro).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And a JIRA ticket to go with this is good for the release notes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Anders
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find any info about Oracle JDK 1.6, but Oracle JDK 1.7
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> requires a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum of Windows Vista [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't find any info on openJDK's requirements.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IBM J9 JDK 6 seems to require a minimum of Windows XP SP3 [2].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/config-417990.ht
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/#!/SSYKE2_6.0.0/com.
>>>>>>>>>>> ibm.
>>>>>>>>>>> java.doc.60_26/vm626/GenericWrapper/hardwareandsoftwarerequirement
>>>>>>>>>>> s.ht
>>>>>>>>>>> ml>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Anders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-25 19:38 GMT+01:00 Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Awesome, thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Andreas Gudian <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> andreas.gudian@gmail.com <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stuck with a windows box and I can give it a try...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .bat-scripting is not really a joy, but what's in the patch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translatable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-25 17:01 GMT+01:00 Igor Fedorenko
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <igor@ifedorenko.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see actual diff to mvn shell script in [1], but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically two-fold. First, find nearest parent directory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contains
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .mvn/ subdirectory. This parent is considered "true"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> multi-module
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project root (MNG-1958). Second, if .mvn/java.config file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately under the true multimodule project root, use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java invocation parameters, i.e. similar to $MAVEN_OPTS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> variable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know enough about Windows scripting to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mvn.bat and mvnDebug.bat batch files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=maven.git;a=commit;h=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8ed9a1caa8890773b45c6c408a4e40acf4f4b0fd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-02-25 9:56, Robert Patrick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly is the problem that Igor ran into that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Unix-only?  Knowing this would help people determine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort needed to solve the problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Patrick <robert.patrick@oracle.com <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VP, Oracle Corporation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7460 Warren Pkwy, Ste. 300      Office: +1.972.963.2872
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frisco, TX 75034, USA           Mobile: +1.469.556.9450
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professional Oracle WebLogic Server
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Robert Patrick, Gregory Nyberg, and Philip Aston
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Josh Bregman and Paul Done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Book Home Page: http://www.wrox.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindle Version: http://www.amazon.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@takari.io
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:40 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Maven Developers List
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Maven 3.2.6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Arnaud Héritier <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aheritier@gmail.com <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had a quick look at the changeling and I'm +1 for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.3.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvements like the toolchain integration and few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the project and won't veto anything as I have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand why
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5767
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrated without a windows support ? For me it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Noone could help Igor on this ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be great if someone would help, but it is still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For projects that require this and document specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just work for non-Windows users. Say the project needs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8gb to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly: in most cases no one reads the documentation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it fails. Then they go read something and figure it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've at least made it work for some people. If there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer who uses Windows who can add the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a contributor I don't think it should stop the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the people it can benefit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igor and I don't use Windows regularly, don't know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know Windows and none of our customers use Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's overall a net improvement. For me it's a about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gradual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I've asked on Twitter if there are any Windows users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many months/years ago the integration of colors in logs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rejected in a part because we wasn't confident in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that was the issue. The issue was us not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on an underlying logging framework. I've seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JANSI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows for years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My 2 cents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:29 AM, Mark Derricutt <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark@talios.com <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25 Feb 2015, at 4:06, Karl Heinz Marbaise wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based on the list of changes i would suggest to make a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.3.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.2.6....to make clear something is introduced....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on 3.3.0 here. Bring on the changes!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Derricutt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.theoryinpractice.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.chaliceofblood.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://plus.google.com/+MarkDerricutt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/talios
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://facebook.com/mderricutt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arnaud Héritier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://aheritier.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail DOT com Twitter/Skype :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aheritier
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People develop abstractions by generalizing from concrete
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every attempt to determine the correct abstraction on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually developing a running system is doomed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure. No
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smart. A framework is a resuable design, so you develop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the things it is supposed to be a design of. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look at,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the more general your framework will be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Ralph Johnson & Don Roberts, Patterns for Evolving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frameworks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lastly, "Impossible." The lamest of the lame excuses!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Difficult
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impractical, or too expensive, but rarely is anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Yvon Chouinard, Let my People Go Surfing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my phone
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> the course of true love never did run smooth ...
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -- Shakespeare
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We know what we are, but know not what we may be.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -- Shakespeare
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We know what we are, but know not what we may be.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- Shakespeare
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Be not afraid of growing slowly, be only afraid of standing still.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Chinese Proverb
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Jason
>>>> 
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> A master in the art of living draws no sharp distinction between his work
>>>> and his play; his labor and his leisure; his mind and his body; his
>>>> education and his recreation. He hardly knows which is which. He simply
>>>> pursues his vision of excellence through whatever he is doing, and
>>>> leaves others to determine whether he is working or playing. To himself,
>>>> he always appears to be doing both.>> 
>>>>  -- François-René de Chateaubriand
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>>> Mit freundlichem Gruß
>>> Karl-Heinz Marbaise
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>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jason
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>> Jason van Zyl
>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
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>> 
>> happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the more it will
>> elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it will come
>> and sit softly on your shoulder ...
>> 
>> -- Thoreau
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Thanks,

Jason

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Jason van Zyl
Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
http://twitter.com/takari_io
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