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From Anders Hammar <and...@hammar.net>
Subject Re: Maven 3.2.6
Date Wed, 04 Mar 2015 06:00:07 GMT
So it's not going to be v3.3.0?

/Anders (mobile)
Den 4 mar 2015 06:31 skrev "Jason van Zyl" <jason@takari.io>:

> Someone going to release Wagon 2.9-SNAPSHOT or can I roll it back to 2.8
> for the 3.2.6 release?
>
> On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise <khmarbaise@gmx.de>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jason,
> >
> > at the moment i have 09:00 o'clock pm ...(21:00 o'clock) CET...
> >
> > I'm available ....
> >
> >
> > On 3/3/15 4:15 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> >> Today in the afternoon here I can be around after 20h. Yesterday didn't
> work. Karl-Heinz what's your schedule looking like?
> >>
> >> On Mar 1, 2015, at 11:14 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.boutemy@free.fr>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I should be there (after 20h, Paris time)
> >>> I'd like to improve docs on new features (like extensions model)
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Hervé
> >>>
> >>> Le dimanche 1 mars 2015 15:38:32 Jason van Zyl a écrit :
> >>>> We can just sync up in IRC and pop in a hangout if people are
> interested.
> >>>> I'll sift through JIRA in the morning. I'm in California so I'll try
> to get
> >>>> up a bit earlier so it's not the end of your day by the time we get
> around
> >>>> to meeting.
> >>>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise <khmarbaise@gmx.de>
> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Jason,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> are those changes you made already public in branches? So it's
> possible to
> >>>>> take a look into it...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And a hangout tomorrow sounds great...I'm interested in...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kind regards
> >>>>> Karl Heinz
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 3/1/15 10:06 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm done rebasing and merging my changes into master here locally.
> But I
> >>>>>> still have a day or two of testing and a day of writing
> documentation.
> >>>>>> There are also a couple APIs I'm not super happy with so I might
> alter
> >>>>>> those slightly before the final release.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So if anyone wants to jump in a hangout tomorrow to chat about
> other bits
> >>>>>> we want to try and do for 3.3.0 I'm game. I also need to go through
> and
> >>>>>> find all references to 3.2.6 and change them to 3.3.0. There are a
> few
> >>>>>> ITs that depend directly on 3.2.6-SNAPSHOT so all that needs to be
> >>>>>> looked at as well.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So I think we're looking at a few more days if anyone wants to get
> in
> >>>>>> small fixes.>>
> >>>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:37 AM, Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Great, thanks. I'm just working away on the work I'd like to get
> in. So
> >>>>>>> tentatively hope to be done this weekend.>>>
> >>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:03 AM, Andreas Gudian <
> andreas.gudian@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I'm done with my changes (documented in MNG-5776), and it seems
> to work
> >>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>> no at least the java process is started with the right parameters
> and
> >>>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>>> script variables leak out into the cmd console... ;-)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> @Igor: thanks for checking up, I overlooked your second commit
> with the
> >>>>>>>> change of the VM-argument name.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2015-02-26 18:07 GMT+01:00 Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io>:
> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 3:49 AM, Andreas Gudian <
> andreas.gudian@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> I can handle that, but not before the weekend.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Jason, does that conflict with your schedule for the release?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No dire rush on my side and I have two feature branches to merge
> >>>>>>>>> anyway so
> >>>>>>>>> take your time. Happy to have the help.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we just say that we drop the support for old Windows
> versions
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 3.3.0 and do the actual work that removes the support from the
> bat
> >>>>>>>>>> files
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> the next minor release?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I would imagine that no one out there cares for Windows 98/ME
> anyway
> >>>>>>>>>> ;-).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2015 schrieb Anders Hammar :
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Stephen Connolly <
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Anders Hammar <
> anders@hammar.net
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing we could do to make stuff easier around these .bat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> drop support for this 4NT shell and Windows versions that
> are not
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> based
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> NT (i.e. Windows 9x / ME).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, as Maven 3.2+ requires a minimum of JDK 1.6 there is no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> reason
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> support anything that JDK 1.6 doesn't run on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> If we are calling this 3.3.0 we can just say we have dropped
> win
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 9x/Me
> >>>>>>>>>>>> support and the 4NT alternative command interpreter
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes. We should probably clearly state what we support in the
> System
> >>>>>>>>>>> Requirements (both on-line and in distro).
> >>>>>>>>>>> And a JIRA ticket to go with this is good for the release
> notes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> /Anders
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find any info about Oracle JDK 1.6, but Oracle JDK
> 1.7
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> requires a
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum of Windows Vista [1].
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't find any info on openJDK's requirements.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> IBM J9 JDK 6 seems to require a minimum of Windows XP SP3
> [2].
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/config-417990.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/#!/SSYKE2_6.0.0/com.ibm.
> >>>>>>>>> java.doc.60_26/vm626/GenericWrapper/
> hardwareandsoftwarerequirements.ht
> >>>>>>>>> ml>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> /Anders
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-25 19:38 GMT+01:00 Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Awesome, thanks!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Andreas Gudian <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> andreas.gudian@gmail.com <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stuck with a windows box and I can give it a try...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .bat-scripting is not really a joy, but what's in the
> patch
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translatable.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andreas
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-25 17:01 GMT+01:00 Igor Fedorenko <
> igor@ifedorenko.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see actual diff to mvn shell script in [1], but
> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> changes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically two-fold. First, find nearest parent directory
> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> contains
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .mvn/ subdirectory. This parent is considered "true"
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> multi-module
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project root (MNG-1958). Second, if .mvn/java.config
> file is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> present
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately under the true multimodule project root, use
> its
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> content
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java invocation parameters, i.e. similar to $MAVEN_OPTS
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> environment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> variable.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know enough about Windows scripting to make
> similar
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> change
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mvn.bat and mvnDebug.bat batch files.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=maven.git;a=commit;h=
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8ed9a1caa8890773b45c6c408a4e40acf4f4b0fd
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igor
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-02-25 9:56, Robert Patrick wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly is the problem that Igor ran into that
> limits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> solution
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Unix-only?  Knowing this would help people determine
> what
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> level
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort needed to solve the problem.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Patrick <robert.patrick@oracle.com
> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VP, Oracle Corporation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7460 Warren Pkwy, Ste. 300      Office: +1.972.963.2872
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frisco, TX 75034, USA           Mobile: +1.469.556.9450
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professional Oracle WebLogic Server
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Robert Patrick, Gregory Nyberg, and Philip Aston
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Josh Bregman and Paul Done
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Book Home Page: http://www.wrox.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindle Version: http://www.amazon.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@takari.io
> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>]
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:40 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Maven Developers List
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Maven 3.2.6
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Arnaud Héritier <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> aheritier@gmail.com <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had a quick look at the changeling and I'm +1 for a
> 3.3.0
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvements like the toolchain integration and few
> others
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> far
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the project and won't veto anything as I have no
> time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand why
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5767
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrated without a windows support ? For me it is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Noone could help Igor on this ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be great if someone would help, but it is
> still a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For projects that require this and document specific
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> requirements
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just work for non-Windows users. Say the project needs
> 8gb to
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> run
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly: in most cases no one reads the documentation
> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> run
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it fails. Then they go read something and figure it
> out
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've at least made it work for some people. If there
> isn't a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> single
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer who uses Windows who can add the same
> capabilities
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a contributor I don't think it should stop the
> feature
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> going
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the people it can benefit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igor and I don't use Windows regularly, don't know
> Windows,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know Windows and none of our customers use Windows.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's overall a net improvement. For me it's a about
> gradual
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvement.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I've asked on Twitter if there are any Windows
> users that
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> help.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many months/years ago the integration of colors in logs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rejected in a part because we wasn't confident in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that was the issue. The issue was us not
> being
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> able
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on an underlying logging framework. I've seen
> JANSI
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> working
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows for years.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My 2 cents.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:29 AM, Mark Derricutt <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> mark@talios.com <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25 Feb 2015, at 4:06, Karl Heinz Marbaise wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based on the list of changes i would suggest to make a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.3.0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.2.6....to make clear something is introduced....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on 3.3.0 here. Bring on the changes!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Derricutt
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.theoryinpractice.net
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.chaliceofblood.net
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://plus.google.com/+MarkDerricutt
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/talios
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://facebook.com/mderricutt
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arnaud Héritier
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://aheritier.net
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail DOT com Twitter/Skype :
> >>>>>>>>>>> aheritier
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People develop abstractions by generalizing from
> concrete
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> examples.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every attempt to determine the correct abstraction on
> paper
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> without
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually developing a running system is doomed to
> failure. No
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> one
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smart. A framework is a resuable design, so you develop
> it by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> looking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the things it is supposed to be a design of. The more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look at,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the more general your framework will be.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Ralph Johnson & Don Roberts, Patterns for Evolving
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Frameworks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lastly, "Impossible." The lamest of the lame excuses!
> Difficult
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> maybe,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impractical, or too expensive, but rarely is anything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Yvon Chouinard, Let my People Go Surfing
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
> >>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
> >>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> >>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
> >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
> >>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
> >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> Jason van Zyl
> >>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
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> >>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
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