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From Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io>
Subject Re: Maven 3.2.6
Date Sun, 01 Mar 2015 21:32:12 GMT
I'll squash them and merge them as a feature commit for each shortly.

On Mar 1, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise <khmarbaise@gmx.de> wrote:

> Hi Jason,
> 
> are those changes you made already public in branches? So it's possible to take a look
into it...
> 
> And a hangout tomorrow sounds great...I'm interested in...
> 
> 
> Kind regards
> Karl Heinz
> 
> On 3/1/15 10:06 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm done rebasing and merging my changes into master here locally. But I still have
a day or two of testing and a day of writing documentation. There are also a couple APIs I'm
not super happy with so I might alter those slightly before the final release.
>> 
>> So if anyone wants to jump in a hangout tomorrow to chat about other bits we want
to try and do for 3.3.0 I'm game. I also need to go through and find all references to 3.2.6
and change them to 3.3.0. There are a few ITs that depend directly on 3.2.6-SNAPSHOT so all
that needs to be looked at as well.
>> 
>> So I think we're looking at a few more days if anyone wants to get in small fixes.
>> 
>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:37 AM, Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io> wrote:
>> 
>>> Great, thanks. I'm just working away on the work I'd like to get in. So tentatively
hope to be done this weekend.
>>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:03 AM, Andreas Gudian <andreas.gudian@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm done with my changes (documented in MNG-5776), and it seems to work -
>>>> no at least the java process is started with the right parameters and no
>>>> script variables leak out into the cmd console... ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> @Igor: thanks for checking up, I overlooked your second commit with the
>>>> change of the VM-argument name.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2015-02-26 18:07 GMT+01:00 Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io>:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 3:49 AM, Andreas Gudian <andreas.gudian@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can handle that, but not before the weekend.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jason, does that conflict with your schedule for the release?
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> No dire rush on my side and I have two feature branches to merge anyway
so
>>>>> take your time. Happy to have the help.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Perhaps we just say that we drop the support for old Windows versions
>>>>> with
>>>>>> 3.3.0 and do the actual work that removes the support from the bat
files
>>>>> in
>>>>>> the next minor release?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would imagine that no one out there cares for Windows 98/ME anyway
;-).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2015 schrieb Anders Hammar :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Stephen Connolly <
>>>>>>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Anders Hammar <anders@hammar.net
>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> One thing we could do to make stuff easier around
these .bat scripts
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> drop support for this 4NT shell and Windows versions
that are not
>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> NT (i.e. Windows 9x / ME).
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Well, as Maven 3.2+ requires a minimum of JDK 1.6 there
is no reason
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> support anything that JDK 1.6 doesn't run on.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If we are calling this 3.3.0 we can just say we have dropped
win 9x/Me
>>>>>>>> support and the 4NT alternative command interpreter
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes. We should probably clearly state what we support in the
System
>>>>>>> Requirements (both on-line and in distro).
>>>>>>> And a JIRA ticket to go with this is good for the release notes.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> /Anders
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I can't find any info about Oracle JDK 1.6, but Oracle
JDK 1.7
>>>>>>> requires a
>>>>>>>>> minimum of Windows Vista [1].
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I couldn't find any info on openJDK's requirements.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> IBM J9 JDK 6 seems to require a minimum of Windows XP
SP3 [2].
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> [1] http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/config-417990.html
>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/#!/SSYKE2_6.0.0/com.ibm.java.doc.60_26/vm626/GenericWrapper/hardwareandsoftwarerequirements.html
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> /Anders
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-25 19:38 GMT+01:00 Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io
>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Awesome, thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Andreas Gudian
<
>>>>>>>> andreas.gudian@gmail.com <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stuck with a windows box and I can give
it a try...
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> .bat-scripting is not really a joy, but what's
in the patch
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> translatable.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-25 17:01 GMT+01:00 Igor Fedorenko
<igor@ifedorenko.com
>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see actual diff to mvn shell
script in [1], but the
>>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically two-fold. First, find nearest
parent directory that
>>>>>>>>> contains
>>>>>>>>>>>>> .mvn/ subdirectory. This parent is considered
"true"
>>>>>>> multi-module
>>>>>>>>>>>>> project root (MNG-1958). Second, if .mvn/java.config
file is
>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately under the true multimodule
project root, use its
>>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> java invocation parameters, i.e. similar
to $MAVEN_OPTS
>>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>>>>>>>> variable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know enough about Windows scripting
to make similar
>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mvn.bat and mvnDebug.bat batch files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=maven.git;a=commit;h=
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8ed9a1caa8890773b45c6c408a4e40acf4f4b0fd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-02-25 9:56, Robert Patrick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly is the problem that
Igor ran into that limits his
>>>>>>>>>> solution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Unix-only?  Knowing this would
help people determine what
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort needed to solve the problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Patrick <robert.patrick@oracle.com
<javascript:;>
>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VP, Oracle Corporation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7460 Warren Pkwy, Ste. 300      Office:
+1.972.963.2872
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frisco, TX 75034, USA           Mobile:
+1.469.556.9450
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professional Oracle WebLogic Server
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Robert Patrick, Gregory Nyberg,
and Philip Aston
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Josh Bregman and Paul Done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Book Home Page: http://www.wrox.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindle Version: http://www.amazon.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@takari.io
<javascript:;>
>>>>>>> <javascript:;>]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015
7:40 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Maven Developers List
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Maven 3.2.6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Arnaud
Héritier <
>>>>>>>> aheritier@gmail.com <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had a quick look at the changeling
and I'm +1 for a 3.3.0
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvements like the toolchain
integration and few others I'm
>>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the project and won't veto
anything as I have no time for
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand why
>>>>>>> http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5767
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrated without a windows
support ? For me it is everything
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Noone could help Igor on this
?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be great if someone would
help, but it is still a step
>>>>>>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For projects that require this and
document specific
>>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just work for non-Windows users.
Say the project needs 8gb to
>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly: in most cases no one reads
the documentation they
>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> build
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it fails. Then they go read something
and figure it out and
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've at least made it work for some
people. If there isn't a
>>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>>>>> Maven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer who uses Windows who can
add the same capabilities or
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a contributor I don't think
it should stop the feature for
>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the people it can benefit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igor and I don't use Windows regularly,
don't know Windows,
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know Windows and none of our customers
use Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's overall a net improvement. For
me it's a about gradual
>>>>>>>>>>> improvement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I've asked on Twitter if there
are any Windows users that
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many months/years ago the integration
of colors in logs output
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rejected in a part because we
wasn't confident in the windows
>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that was the issue.
The issue was us not being
>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on an underlying logging framework.
I've seen JANSI
>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>> fine on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows for years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My 2 cents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:29
AM, Mark Derricutt <
>>>>>>>> mark@talios.com <javascript:;>
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25 Feb 2015, at 4:06, Karl
Heinz Marbaise wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based on the list of changes
i would suggest to make a 3.3.0
>>>>>>>>>> instead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.2.6....to make clear something
is introduced....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on 3.3.0 here. Bring on
the changes!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Derricutt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.theoryinpractice.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.chaliceofblood.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://plus.google.com/+MarkDerricutt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/talios
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://facebook.com/mderricutt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arnaud Héritier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://aheritier.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail
DOT com Twitter/Skype :
>>>>>>> aheritier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People develop abstractions by generalizing
from concrete
>>>>>>>> examples.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every attempt to determine the correct
abstraction on paper
>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually developing a running system
is doomed to failure. No
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smart. A framework is a resuable
design, so you develop it by
>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the things it is supposed to be a
design of. The more examples
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> look at,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the more general your framework will
be.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Ralph Johnson & Don Roberts,
Patterns for Evolving
>>>>>>>> Frameworks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Lastly, "Impossible." The lamest of the lame
excuses! Difficult
>>>>>>>> maybe,
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> impractical, or too expensive, but rarely is
anything impossible.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -- Yvon Chouinard, Let my People Go Surfing
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Sent from my phone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jason
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> the course of true love never did run smooth ...
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- Shakespeare
>>>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
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>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jason
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Jason van Zyl
>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
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>> We know what we are, but know not what we may be.
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Thanks,

Jason

----------------------------------------------------------
Jason van Zyl
Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
http://twitter.com/takari_io
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